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    Quote Originally Posted by MDFF26 View Post
    If you can challenge PA would they give points for NJ certs?
    This is exactly what I am talking about - dude is talking about "challenging PA" when he didn't even take the time to prepare himself completely for the exam.

    The job announcement ended in August... MDFF26, what were you doing for the four months PRIOR to the test???


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    It doesn't matter if you read the link you posted you must be a pa resident to get your other state certifications accepted. Also you must take the pro board challenge test as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutts09 View Post
    This is exactly what I am talking about - dude is talking about "challenging PA" when he didn't even take the time to prepare himself completely for the exam.

    The job announcement ended in August... MDFF26, what were you doing for the four months PRIOR to the test???
    Because I didn't know if they would give me points for my out of state certs, or know PA laws if I could challenge to get my certs accepted that means I didn't prepare for the test? I guess I was more worried with the study packet so I could get the 100 that I did with out any points because I was under the assumption that I wasn't going to get those certs. So what exactly are you really talking about? Before it was there are departments that choose randomly who can even take the test, now it "this is what im talking about he didn't take the time to prepare himself."

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    It is critical that everyone on the list follow the review process on you notification letter or email. Call 215-686-0880 to make an appointment to review your results.

    Make sure you get as much information as possible and check over your answer sheets thoroughly.

    The city has made mistakes on scoring sheets in the past and more than likely did this exam.

    To those of you who did do well enough to be in the next class good luck and remember just don't be an ***-hole and you'll do fine
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    Does anyone know when Philly is looking to put the first recruit class together? Also I have forgoten if the forum has addressed this question so I appoligize now lol... How does Philly work the rotation on and off the EMS bus/wagon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFD8 View Post
    Does anyone know when Philly is looking to put the first recruit class together? Also I have forgoten if the forum has addressed this question so I appoligize now lol... How does Philly work the rotation on and off the EMS bus/wagon?
    From what I've heard they will be bringing in two classes as soon as the backround checks and interviews are done so however long that will take. We do four on four off, two day works and two nightworks, and the squad rotation depends on where you are normaly about every three months give or take

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    How many recruits does each class usually consist of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadbear271 View Post
    How many recruits does each class usually consist of?
    The last classes that were brought in started with about 80-90 a class

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    Does anybody have an idea about when the background/interview process will begin for the first classes?

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    The only party to blame for this entire dilemma is the Firefighter's Union itself. If they were really concerned about the quality/credentials of the incoming classes, the integrity of the test process, or the Fire Department itself - THEY would have been the one's to stand up and fight for a more transparent testing process.

    Every firefighter currently on the job who is on this page telling those ppl to sue, should shut the hell up. If they really cared, THEY would have done something PRIOR to this test to ensure the PFD was getting the most qualified class possible.

    So why haven't they done anything? It's pretty simple - they don't care. It's easier for them to sit back and tell other ppl to sue while blaming the administration, the City, etc, etc, etc..

    To all the firefighters on here complaining about how the PFD "isn't the same," look no further than yourself. And then shut the hell up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomname2 View Post
    The only party to blame for this entire dilemma is the Firefighter's Union itself. If they were really concerned about the quality/credentials of the incoming classes, the integrity of the test process, or the Fire Department itself - THEY would have been the one's to stand up and fight for a more transparent testing process.

    Every firefighter currently on the job who is on this page telling those ppl to sue, should shut the hell up. If they really cared, THEY would have done something PRIOR to this test to ensure the PFD was getting the most qualified class possible.

    So why haven't they done anything? It's pretty simple - they don't care. It's easier for them to sit back and tell other ppl to sue while blaming the administration, the City, etc, etc, etc..

    To all the firefighters on here complaining about how the PFD "isn't the same," look no further than yourself. And then shut the hell up.

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    You gotta love d*%chebags like this that haven't a clue what they are talking about and get real tough over a computer. The Union and current members have no say over the way the city hires. The city has the right to implement any testing process they wish the only time the union can step in is after the test is held and there was a problem so until you know what the f*^k your talking about keep it to yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomname2 View Post
    The only party to blame for this entire dilemma is the Firefighter's Union itself. If they were really concerned about the quality/credentials of the incoming classes, the integrity of the test process, or the Fire Department itself - THEY would have been the one's to stand up and fight for a more transparent testing process.

    Every firefighter currently on the job who is on this page telling those ppl to sue, should shut the hell up. If they really cared, THEY would have done something PRIOR to this test to ensure the PFD was getting the most qualified class possible.

    So why haven't they done anything? It's pretty simple - they don't care. It's easier for them to sit back and tell other ppl to sue while blaming the administration, the City, etc, etc, etc..

    To all the firefighters on here complaining about how the PFD "isn't the same," look no further than yourself. And then shut the hell up.

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    How effective is a union that "has no say over the way the City hires?" If that doesn't show the ineptitude of the union itself, then I don't know what does. What good is stepping in AFTER the test is administered. As we can all see, (and the 900 ppl who scored 100's can attest too), this after the test challenge is sure going to do a lot of good. Please note my sarcasm.

    A union that doesn't have control over the way ppl are hired is no "union" at all. You mean to tell me that you guys are "helpless" to change an utterly arbitrary, and some would argue discriminatory, testing process? That's just pathetic. As a civil service job, this test should be comparable to that taken by police recruits, but it isn't. You know why? Because the police union made it change. (I am not on a PPD). So once again, please stop telling everyone to file an injunctive class action suit. Unfortunately, the people going for this job are not likely to have the financial resources, time, etc to do that. So shut the f*ck up.

    I have repeated these statements to both firefighters and a few battalion chiefs on the job today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomname2 View Post
    How effective is a union that "has no say over the way the City hires?" If that doesn't show the ineptitude of the union itself, then I don't know what does. What good is stepping in AFTER the test is administered. As we can all see, (and the 900 ppl who scored 100's can attest too), this after the test challenge is sure going to do a lot of good. Please note my sarcasm.

    A union that doesn't have control over the way ppl are hired is no "union" at all. You mean to tell me that you guys are "helpless" to change an utterly arbitrary, and some would argue discriminatory, testing process? That's just pathetic. As a civil service job, this test should be comparable to that taken by police recruits, but it isn't. You know why? Because the police union made it change. (I am not on a PPD). So once again, please stop telling everyone to file an injunctive class action suit. Unfortunately, the people going for this job are not likely to have the financial resources, time, etc to do that. So shut the f*ck up.

    I have repeated these statements to both firefighters and a few battalion chiefs on the job today.
    You have to go back to 1974 in Federal Court. The union was told by a Federal judge that they had no standing in a lawsuit involving hiring practices in the PFD as they didn't represent anyone who had not yet been hired.

    Therefore, the union "has no say over the way the City hires". Thus, only people on the hiring list can sue or start a class-action lawsuit.

    The FOP didn't make the City change it's hiring practices for police. Ramsey did. Also the Municipal Police Officer certification requirements necessitated some changes.

    Please check your facts before you start ranting.

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    Thanks for the info. As far as I know, Fed Court decisions are not set in stone and may be challenged at any time on legitimate grounds. Considering 1974 was 38 years ago, I don't believe (although I'm not certain) the judge who decided the issue is still serving today.

    While I certainly understand the standing rationale. Any lawyer worth their salt could craft a persuasive argument for why the Union either should be granted standing or should be allowed some/any input into the testing process that determines their prospective members (i.e. the members they will be responsible for).

    If everyone thought Federal Court rulings were infallible, separate but equal would still be good law. A union helpless to a 38 year old court ruling gets no sympathy from me.

    And if that is not possible, then look no further than the FOP (Ramsey changed the hiring practice). Why can't the Fire Commissioner? Oh yeah, I forgot - you guys our helpless on that one too. Pathetic

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    You got pwned dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomname2 View Post
    And if that is not possible, then look no further than the FOP (Ramsey changed the hiring practice). Why can't the Fire Commissioner? Oh yeah, I forgot - you guys our helpless on that one too. Pathetic
    Do you honestly think the current Commissioner is going to WANT to change this new method of testing- (which so blatantly grants preference with the "banding" of grades) giving the "preferred demographic" an unfair advantage, especially given that the consent decree was dissolved? If you do think this, you need to get your head examined.

    In Philly, the Union or the Fire Department have no say in how recruits are hired, especially the Union. The FD gives a list of their needs to Human Resources, who then coordinates with Civil Service to execute a test and subsequent list. Once all the testing and grading is done, the recruits are hired, and then told to report to the Fire Department.

    Sure the Union and FD can make recommendations but thats about it. And the way the relationship is between the Union and the City right now, it wouldnt surprise me one bit if the City took any written recommendations presented by the Union and wiped their azzes with it. The IAFF's National Bylaws prevent Local 22 from becoming involved in any kind of litigation on behalf of non-members.

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    I'm not saying the Commissioner wants to change this method. I'm saying that if the members of the PFD want this to change - they have to be the ones to initiate the change. Either challenge the 1974 ruling, be more proactive in how the commissioner is appointed, or do nothing.

    I'm new to the forum and am only on here to try to get the ppl on here (who are currently PFD firefighters) to stop feeling bad for themselves and saying they don't have the ability to do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomname2 View Post
    I'm not saying the Commissioner wants to change this method. I'm saying that if the members of the PFD want this to change - they have to be the ones to initiate the change. Either challenge the 1974 ruling, be more proactive in how the commissioner is appointed, or do nothing.

    I'm new to the forum and am only on here to try to get the ppl on here (who are currently PFD firefighters) to stop feeling bad for themselves and saying they don't have the ability to do anything.
    Nevermind. I am not going to continue to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomname2 View Post
    I'm not saying the Commissioner wants to change this method. I'm saying that if the members of the PFD want this to change - they have to be the ones to initiate the change. Either challenge the 1974 ruling, be more proactive in how the commissioner is appointed, or do nothing.

    I'm new to the forum and am only on here to try to get the ppl on here (who are currently PFD firefighters) to stop feeling bad for themselves and saying they don't have the ability to do anything.
    You must be a saint, you came on here to save everyone from their own pitty. Honestly if you hadn't come on here I would be really sad right now...... I might have believed that if you weren't so hostile, it seems like you have an agenda not a want to help people. You sound like a s*** stirrer trying to get people to say things they can't take back. Once you hit send these things are out there and have a way of showing up when you don't want them to even if you have hit edit.

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