I was thinking the same thing. Something informative. Finally.....
The City used this test to get the preferred demographic hired. The City added FF points and EMT points on their own....THEN tried to cert the preferred demograpfic in those specific areas. I don't recall those classes being offered in Far NE PHilly? Then they opened the test to non residents too. Well....guess they didn't plan on all the surrounding area Vets, who may also be FF's and EMT's etc applying....
How's this....what if they had to rescore the test...and now the pass/fail portion had to be given a grade? And that rescoring took the average score of that and the dumb personality quiz....by the way Big Griff....I preferred amusement parks...
I know I aced the first portion of that test. period. point blank. So, anyone thinks I'm cutting in line...go screw yourself.
Vets get points and deserve points. Some go to college nice and easy....others serve their country and put themselves in harms' way...still have a problem?....re-read above suggestion.
In PA you get the points added to your raw score......in NJ vets don't get points....they automatically go to the TOP of the list regardless of their score. Even as a Vet I think THAT'S wrong....give me 5 or 10 Vet points, and let me compete.
Big Griff....talk about your service all you want....I was in the Marine Corps myself, after graduating from Parris Island.
And yes, apparently there was a LOT of back peddaling at City Hall when someone realized "oh crap, if we give these kids the points, we have to give ANYONE in Pa. that qualifies the points too." Then folklore has it that they tried somehow to make so that the points were for City residents only, but the legal eagles put the brakes to that.
Wow, you guys are really squaring off and wasting a lot of energy on the keyboard instead of preparing for your physicals and the academy. I'm also surprised no one has pointed out the obvious....Is there a vet of any rank that did not get a letter? Anyone? Let me follow that up by a quote from President Obama's speech about the Veteran's Job Corps on 2/3/12: "So we want to prioritize veterans and we want to help states and local communities hire veterans to firehouses and police stations all across the country." There is your answer people...
Let me also address a few other topics:
Randomname2 - you are bitter because you haven't received a letter in a crappy process. You mention several times about people being more qualified than others. The reality is that this test does not prove that. Unfortunately, it is the standard by which a class will be hired. With that said, anyone with the same score is theoretically equally qualified regardless of the rank (ie. 224 or 1136). No one is better qualified or more deserving because they received a better random number and therefore a better rank. However, there needs to be some type of hiring order, so that is why there is a rank. This time around, for the first time, vets are being called up first. Do the math, should be about 320 letters out. Subtract the approx 185 vets on the list. Leaves about 135 letters for non-vets. Go down the list and count off 135 non-vets. Wherever that stops is where the "cut-off" was. I estimate around 230-240. Is there a non-vet on here ranked higher than that and got a letter? Your opinion about giving preference to vets doesn't matter. Get over it. You cite Car 1 as a reason vet preference doesn't matter and say you'd prefer education preference instead. Well, Car 1 has a Master's degree. Bottom line is that you didn't get a good random number. Sorry, but it isn't the fault of anyone on here. And it most certainly isn't the fault of any of the vets who served their country and are reaping the benefits that they earned. Taking out your frustration on them just shows your immaturity. Be a grown-up and congratulate those who got a letter, and then release your frustration on the City in the form of a lawsuit. And, for clarification, I am not a vet.
Firefuss - Your take on the "Eligible" list is incorrect. It is the same as a "Hiring" list. Look at the last promotional lists. They say "Eligible List" at the top. People are seeing seemingly random ranks getting letters and assuming the City is "cherry-picking" who they want. Well, sort-of...they are "cherry-picking" the vets, not the "preferred demographic" as most would assume. BTW, How's Florida working out?
As for orientation...Hammerhead says "I might also suggest to arrive early. If you walk in late...that too will be remembered." BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Fuss, wanna back me up on this.... "IF" you walk in late, you will be walking out early...as in immediately after getting your azz chewed out. This is not a joke. I witnessed multiple people get turned away because they were less than 5 minutes late. We arrive at least an hour early for every shift. Be there early. Have a back-up plan. If you get stuck in traffic, if you get in an accident, if you get lost, if you get a flat tire...NO ONE CARES. You will lose your opportunity. No excuses, be there. Late....Hah...too funny....
Hello to all. I spend most of time on this site reading rather than posting, but sometimes frustration gets the best of me. I am a vet also, and ranked over 1000, and got a letter for the upcoming orientations. I do not feel that vets "deserve" extra points, we are granted that courtesy by grateful civilian authorities out of appreciation for our service. Flipside: if you did not serve and chose to go to college, that was your choice and perfectly respectable. If you wanted to be on the job all along, you would have researched and found that perhaps joining the military for a few years would not only have improved your chances of getting hired, but also majorly defrayed the cost of your education. Both paths can provide you with tools to succeed as a candidate and FF.
All the speculation about why some of the 1000+ folks got a letter and some 2-3-400s didn't is pointless. The city HR dept/Fire Dept/whoever will not disclose anything that could potentially open the city to legal action, especially not to some FF candidate who feels slighted by the way his test was graded/the fact he or she didn't get a letter. If you control the aspects of your process that you can control (fitness, study prep, learning what you can from personal resources and research, practicing interviewing skills, paying your bills to the city (PARKING TICKETS!!!)) then good things will happen. Say what you want about preferred demographics, consent decrees, cherrypicking, whatever....in the end, you still have to pass the academy. You can have had every backdoor advantage thrown your way, but if you can't tell the difference between an engine, a ladder, and Geo Metro, guess what? You won't have a job as PFD FF. And if you do somehow pass the academy, it is on those who evaluate you during your probationary period to confirm you are fit to wear the uniform.
This concludes the rant. Get off the forum and get to the track, the library, and the firehouse and improve yourself.
By the way, Car 1 is a vet of the USN.
Is there going to be ample parking at/near the fire academy for the orientation class or is this going to be a case of public transportation?
Research it yourself you lazy a**hole
I'm just kidding ... I felt left out with all these rants and tantrums
Just got my haircut ... going for my tux tomorrow
I bought some dress slacks last night, shirt and tie..I need to find my belt and my black shoes..and go to the tailor.
By the way, on that form we have to fill out..it's the 1 with the space to list all residences in the last 10 years..there is a spot for payroll/application number. Is that non- applicable for us, or do we put in that C********** number we got when we applied..or something totally different?
I'll leave it blank..and ask about it when i get there.
DO NOT forget your pagers ... Orientation is no excuse to miss a brush fire back home
That is it!!! I'm going to wear 1 of my wife's dresses under a class A haz-mat suit. I'll have my 911 text message ring tone set to power call and I'll have a minitor 1-5 on my FDNY fanny pack.
On a more serious note..happy memorial day to all the veterans/family of vets on here.