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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    I highly doubt it was run the way Capt McGrath ran it due to the crybabies of today. Have you ever seen the show "FIRE!", produced by the Philadelphia PBS station about the PFD? He is spotlighted in it several times.

    Yes I've not only have seen it, I have it and it was shown, the Philly part, to the boots at my fd when they came through. John and I made a few classes together at the NFA.

    You are right about the cry babies nowdays. They bellache about climbing ladders and wearing scbas as they think they are too heavy. These ladders are heavy, sir. These fans are heavy, sir.

    I wore steel bottles back in the early 1960's!

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    How does the pfd feel about records that was expunged

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    It gets really really aggravating seeing all this crap..Idiots can't even use spell check on their computers..It really fires me up..I'm going to spray tan myself orange and claim umpa loompa status on the exam and score a 110 with vets points..
    first of all if you think them numbers are fair your f... crazy if they would have did it right at first they they would not to go back and do it right now you ekin

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    First of all, please learn how to spell, take a basic English class. Those numbers are fair..you know why? because every person who is a minority in those departments are there because they WANTED to be there, not because some idiots who live in a gated community somewhere else wants them to be there. If you don't study, if you don't work out like you want the job, you DO NOT deserve the job..the welfare and food stamp line is over there, feel free to stand in it. As for me, I'll be studying for the test and working out for the academy. Take your "fair" crap and get out of here.
    what in the hell does food stamps and welfare has to with being fare **** i guess blacks,females, are dumb you got these big departments that hired son, cousins, favors, and more

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    One more question..If I obtain the PA EMT-B say..a month after the test date..would they add the 3 points to my overall score? or is that wishful thinking?
    not sure how the scoring is done it`s a whole new format this time
    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    Well, what is a few extra pounds? low blood pressure and a good looking EKG.like whats the standard?
    there are no EKG`s done and as long as your not really overweight you should be ok but you should also try to go in already in shape so you won`t have to worry about it the instructors don`t want to see a bunch of fat bodys

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    One more question..If I obtain the PA EMT-B say..a month after the test date..would they add the 3 points to my overall score? or is that wishful thinking?

    Sorry wishful thinking....


    Additional Credits for Firefighter Examination

    1. Any Fire Service Paramedic with five (5) or more years of service as a Fire Service Paramedic who takes and passes the open competitive examination for the class of Firefighter shall have an additional ten (10) points added to his or her examination score. The employees must have completed the five years of service in accordance with the requirements for determining eligibility to compete in examinations defined in Regulation 7.08.

    2. Pending Approval by the Administrative Board -
    Additional points will be added to the examination score of any candidate who has passed the open competitive examination and who is currently certified as a /an :

    • Firefighter 1 by the Office of the State Fire Commissioner of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania; AND / OR
    • Emergency Medical Technician (Basic or Paramedic) by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

    Such candidates will be awarded:

    • Two (2) points for certification as a Firefighter 1 and / or
    • Three (3) points for certification as an Emergency Medical Technician.

    Candidates must possess and must submit documentation of the above certifications no later than November 19, 2011.
    Requests for additional points submitted after November 19, 2011 will not be approved.
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    Wow, this whole thread took a turn. Not that I'm surprised - some websites have been sued for less than what appears here. I am with Fuss and Philly10 - I don't give a F what color you are outside, it's your character that counts. Workers and bums come in all colors. There's black guys on this job I'd give my left nut for, there's white guys on this job that - well, I can't say it because then it's "premeditated". That said, there does appear to be a concerted effort by some in power to try to manipulate various portions of the process to benefit black candidates. It is ironic though - the ones who keep saying blacks can't compete are black, so who's the racist? There is racial tension in this job, in this city, and I think it fair that any candidate know that prior to applying. Suffice to say, it's not enough for me to dissuade anyone from going for it, we're still the best job in the world.

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    ANYWAY, there have been a few questions thrown out about the hiring process, academy, etc., so let's get this back on track.

    Hiring prospects - have had numerous PMs and questions about "How many openings? Are they really gonna hire, or this making a list just to make a list? How many classes? How many in a class?" Etc., etc., etc.
    This is simple and difficult to answer. The simple part is, we have (a lot of - maybe 200?) openings now, and are projected to get many more openings. Each month there are some who retire. In 2013, there is a big projection of I think 150+ who are going to "DROP" at the same time. So over the course of the list, there will be HUNDREDS of vacancies. Typically we get about 5 classes from a hiring list, and put about 80-90 in a class.

    The complication is what the City does in terms of cuts. The current mayor has permanently cut 5 engines and 2 ladder companies, to the tune of 120 ositions lost. Additionally, they permanently cut some 57 unfilled vacancies in companies that had the minimum or less assigned. That doesn't even mention the 3 companies we "brown out" everyday - no positions were lost by that move. There are all kinds of rumors about the possibility of more cuts, reductions, and so on. So while there are hundreds of vaccancies planned, we may reduce by attrition instead of replacing those members.
    What's the academy like? Etc.
    As mentioned above, "Disney on the Delaware" (your interpretation, it's fun to go train, or it's a Mickey Mouse operation) is still in the NE and is a bootcamp-style academy lasting about 5 months. The typical day starts with formation, then PT, then classroom and/or practical work and ends with housework. PT is usually 1/2 hour of calisthenics then a group/formation run. "Push'em ups", leg lifts, mountain climbers, sit-ups, etc. As you go further in the academy they build the run to greater distances, first day is I think a mile, at the end you're doing a couple miles.

    It's been mentioned, the first so many weeks are EMT class, even if you're an EMT, a paramedic, a nurse, or a trauma surgeon you still have to sit there and become an EMT again. The fireside takes the remainder of time, and by the end now you get FF-II, HazMat OPS, BVR, etc.
    Hiring process - "Will this test be easy? What is the test format? How does this test compare to others you have taken?" Etc.
    I don't know much about this test coming up, other than what is on the City website. I have never seen the test of the type they are now using, so I cannot compare it to what I took. The only test I took was the old "coloring book" test. It was a study guide as stupid as a coloring book, and if you memorized the book , you got 100 on the test. I took it once, didn't really study that hard, and got 96. I was hired with no vet points, etc., so it can/could be done.

    I have heard some horrible things in the last few days, I don't know if they're true. The new one is a two part test (TPM and WSI) - one has a study guide (and presumably real, defined answers), the other has no study material AND "no correct answers". The rumors I hear: The study guide part will be 100 questions, and pass/fail. No word on what exactly is pass or fail, though. Maybe you need to get 10 right, maybe you need 85 right. The other section, with "no correct answers", will be 6-8 questions and will be graded. But instead of a straight grade, and corresponding ranking, the grades will be "banded" so maybe a 85 is consdiered the same as a 90, etc. Of course with so few qestions in this section, that won't matter because everyone will be in the same grade/rank groups from the get go. I really hope I'm wrong (and my source as well) about that.
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    I had something on my record 2 years ago but since then I have gotten my background expunged. Do anyone think this will affect me getting hired in anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbask View Post
    I had something on my record 2 years ago but since then I have gotten my background expunged. Do anyone think this will affect me getting hired in anyway
    Depends on a lot of factors. Nature of the crime, were you then juvenile/now adult, severity (Felony is an automatic disqualifier, even if expunged; you must be able to be an EMT per the state Dept. of Health requirements), extenuating circumstances, etc. etc.

    Best advice - disclose it when it comes time, even expunged records are accessible in our background checks. You will have a chance to explain later in the process to a panel of chiefs and/or the commissioner. Expect several lectures (rightfully so) about public trust and how your record diminishes that. I had a clean record and was still constantly reminded how we are the only branch of government that regularly enters a person's house w/out warrants, etc., yet we're still one of the most highly regarded branches of government by the public.

    If it's not a felony, and not an arson/related type charge, it probably won't be an automatic disqualifier, but understand you are starting at a disadvantage. So, the "rest of you" has to be that much better than everyone else.
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    <<< Additionally, they permanently cut some 57 unfilled vacancies in companies that had the minimum or less assigned.>>>

    Not to get off on a tangent, but is the minimum staffing still four on an engine and five on a ladder, or has cutting those vacancies changed that sometimes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpita View Post
    Depends on a lot of factors. Nature of the crime, were you then juvenile/now adult, severity (Felony is an automatic disqualifier, even if expunged; you must be able to be an EMT per the state Dept. of Health requirements), extenuating circumstances, etc. etc.

    Best advice - disclose it when it comes time, even expunged records are accessible in our background checks. You will have a chance to explain later in the process to a panel of chiefs and/or the commissioner. Expect several lectures (rightfully so) about public trust and how your record diminishes that. I had a clean record and was still constantly reminded how we are the only branch of government that regularly enters a person's house w/out warrants, etc., yet we're still one of the most highly regarded branches of government by the public.

    If it's not a felony, and not an arson/related type charge, it probably won't be an automatic disqualifier, but understand you are starting at a disadvantage. So, the "rest of you" has to be that much better than everyone else.
    Here is my problem to sum my situation up. I had an narcotics case. Intent to deliver but the charge was dismissed. Never got convicted of anything but like you was saying expunged records will come up definitely if it was a felony or if you were convicted.

    The more I find out about the job iam starting to like it. I remener we got into a disagreement about the money and how much they pay. I don't even care about the money no more. Being on this site and talking to different people, my views are different now

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    Including someone based solely upon their race is equally as wrong as excluding someone based solely upon their race. I challenge anyone to find the flaw in that statement.

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    Listen f da race ish. Race ain't got ish to do with someone getting 100 on the test. . Buff started this thread to dead all that b.s from the last thread. Start asking questions about trying to be a ff.

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    Could someone describe how the suppression side provides EMS? I know they go on some medicals, and I also know that the firefighters are staffing BLS ambulances. Is the department trending away from single-role EMS workers or are they just using firefighters because the EMS side is so short staffed?

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    Let me start by staying my logic might be flawed because I don't know how the online app system works. People keep posting app conformation numbers on facebook, the earliest number I see is 47,800 or so and the highest is 86,000 or so. If you do the math that is 38,200 applications. I am assuming that the numbers are somewhat random because that seems like a lot. Does anyone have any idea how many applicants there were last time around? Bottom line it doesn't matter because there isn't much you can do other than study hard but I was just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    There were around 12-15,000 when I took the test in 05. That was all people who lived in the city already. Now that the city has opened up the process to anyone living anywhere, I'm sure the numbers will be closer to 20 or even 30K applicants. Not all of them will show, so dont be so intimidated by numbers.
    Definitely not intimidated. 05' huh? When did you actually get into the Academy?

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    TODAY IS THE DEADLINE!!!

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    Definitely not intimidated. 05' huh? When did you actually get into the Academy?
    Fuss and I were classmates. Test 11/05, entered academy 01/07; we were actually the 3rd class off that test - I think he had to wait for his residency to be eligible, I just didn't study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpita View Post
    TODAY IS THE DEADLINE!!!

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    Fuss and I were classmates. Test 11/05, entered academy 01/07; we were actually the 3rd class off that test - I think he had to wait for his residency to be eligible, I just didn't study.
    Oh, ok I know someone who was in the third class from the 05' test or the wait was 3 years I don't remember which it was. He loves it and says he could never see himself doing anything else. I really want that kind of feeling about what I do....so here's hopin' it isn't as long a wait to get in a class as is it was for him. But like he said it was worth the wait. October can't come fast enough to get the TPM and start studying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    There were around 12-15,000 when I took the test in 05. That was all people who lived in the city already. Now that the city has opened up the process to anyone living anywhere, I'm sure the numbers will be closer to 20 or even 30K applicants. Not all of them will show, so dont be so intimidated by numbers.
    Fuss, for as long as I can remember the test was open to anyone no matter the residence. I took it at least twice using a Huntingdon Valley address and once with a Bensalem address. Also took the Cop test once with the Bensalem address. I know of at least two guys from Maryland that took it back then also. Back then however they just would not hire you without one year's (verifiable) residence prior to your date of hire.
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