Yes, it doesn't say how to dress. If you go in shorts and flip-flops......you will be remembered. If you attend orientation dressed like a professional, seeking to be a professional Firefighter...that will also be remembered. You have one opportunity to make a first impression. So why not go get a fresh haircut and be clean shaven too? Put your best foot forward. You can't go wrong in dress pants and a nice pressed dress shirt. Please don't constrew these comments as being a smart-a**. I am trying to be helpful. It seems to me a lot of you younger guys are anxious about this process and that's how most of these posts read. And I understand that. Just relax...this whole process will take a few months to complete. It looks like the height and weight chart is just "information". I am sure they will give us everything we need to know at orientation. Just fill out the paperwork they sent us and report there. I might also suggest to arrive early. If you walk in late...that too will be remembered. Again, good luck to everyone!
I have to agree with FWDbuff.
While I understand everyone who received a letter is excited - it is pretty clear that some of you are not qualified and did not score high enough to legitimately have received a letter (those ranked in the 1000's to 1,200's). I can only speculate, but I'm pretty sure I won't be the only one to question whether you got the job on merit or by some other means.
While I'm sure you want to take advantage of this opportunity, you're doing so at the expense of those men who scored higher (i.e. more qualified for the position) than yourselves. Don't think this fact will go unnoticed by both your fellow classmates and current PFD firefighters. People aren't too welcoming of those who were in essence handed the position, when their lives may depend on those people.
You are basically taking advantage of a test/hiring process that was broken even before it started. If any of you actually cared about the quality of the ppl getting on the job you wouldn't cut in front of those 800 or so ppl who are more qualified than yourselves.
On another note, I appreciate your sharing this information with the forum. How candidates ranked in the 1200's are receiving letters will almost certainly be one of the first questions in the next union meeting...
The fact that people are asking what clothes to wear to what is basically a job interview is all you really need to know about the intelligence level of this class.
Seriously man not qualified? I ranked well and got a letter so Im not complaining but I know a few guys just as qualified as me who took the test and didnt rank as well so thats BS. Let them be excited man Its all on us now, the process has began so don't be so sour. In all reality the test was a joke, the first part was all memorization, the second part was basically luck for real. I know I would not consider someone qualifed based on that test, no way! Based on a personality test with some stupid questions that don't relate to anything about the job? comon.
Seems to me that there is no difference in persons ranked 224-1136 according to the first list that was leaked.
At this point we really don't know who is qualified and who is not. I will speak for myself here..I'm a 40 year old white male Vet. Did I get a letter because I am a vet? idk. Did I get a letter because I'm 40? idk. What I do know is that there is legally no age limit to being hired. I don't feel like I'm "cutting" in front of anyone. And yes, that test was a joke. Maybe the city had to re-rank the test...? Does anyone believe the city is trying to "cherry-pick" white male Vets? I don't.
On a side note...I took the test many years ago...when they gave you a study booklet and the test was strictly based on that booklet. That's the test they should return to. 18,000 , yes, 18,000 people took the test I speak of...and I ranked in the top 200. I went thru the process and then declined the job,for what I thought was a better opportunity. I am currently in a very dangerous occupation. If I get thru the process again, I will take the job. And by the way, I will be taking a pay cut to be a Philly Firefighter.
I'm not all full of myself either. I just hope the best candidates get the job. The Fire Dept. is coming apart at the seems right now. Philadelphia needs good Firefighters that take the job for the right reasons. I hope the best people get the job. And I also hope they have the balls to do the job. Just my opinion.
1. What exactly makes someone more qualified then someone else? more specifically, what makes me more qualified then you? I took the same test as you..I studied the same 100+ page study guide as you and I passed..did you? I'm sorry if I answered the personality questions honestly and said that I believe that the reason why we have so many problems today is that children are not disciplined enough( I strongly agreed), and that I would rather go to a museum then an amusement park, because of previously mentioned undisciplined children( I strongly agreed to that also.)
2. Do you want to go the route of job related experience? I'm not going to turn this into a ****ing contest and list all the training/national certifications that I have or are in the process of getting. I pursued them and the others that I am pursuing because I want to be the best possible firefighter/emt/emergency responder that I can, weather that be a volunteer, or career. I understand that it dosen't matter because I'm still going to go through the academy,god willing, if I make it that far, and that is fine, but when you go for your interview and you get asked "what did you do to prepare yourself for this job" it will matter...my willingness to train without a paycheck means that I am willing to put in the effort to be the best I can be for my brothers and sisters on the job.
3. Or, do you want to go the route of past job experience? I've worked long hours, in stressful situations, having to make on the spot decisions that could have effected myself and my soldiers in a positive or negative way, luckily for me, I knew what I was doing and I brought everyone home alive in 1 piece. I was a junior non-commissioned officer who led soldiers in combat..does that make me qualified?
4. Or, do you want to go the route of professionalism? Being a professional means handling yourself in a professional manner. I've taken quite a few civil service tests/firefighter exams..I've driven to different states..I scored top 10 on the correction officer exam..but I didn't get hired, I'm sure because someone who is on the job got their son/daughter,nephew, neighbor,dog,cat a job over me, same goes for the federal firefighter positions I've applied for..but, you can do 1 of 2 things, sit on a message board and complain, talking down to people you don't even know, or try and make yourself better for the next go around. ( I've done the latter once, and I regret it because it really isn't professional but when you're emotionally attached to a job, and you put in effort it sucks when you don't get it) but life is full of disappointments, ups and downs, I kept my head up and moved forward.
5. You want to talk about the union? are you a member of IAFF local 22? do you know someone who is? are you going to go to the meeting? Last time I checked, we are all just numbers on a list somewhere, Hopefully, when I get on the job, I will prove myself, I will prove myself in the academy, not for you, not for the union, but to my brothers and sisters already on the job...If you start this much commotion on a message board I can't imagine what will happen when someone tells you to clean the bathrooms, for the 3rd day in a row..or clean the truck, when it isn't that dirty.
The best firefighters will make it on the job..the 1s who aren't best suited for the job will be weeded out along the way. The city, and other cities, state, and federal hiring authorities will hire who they want when they want, if that bothers you then maybe you should look into a different career field.
You don't know me, I don't know you..there is no way to gauge how much I or you want the job.
Am I mad because the city sent me a letter and you didn't get one? I, at this point, could really care less, because we are competition, and until the day we show up for work we will be competition, everyone on this board, everyone who isn't on this board is competition, If I didn't get a letter would I be happy for the people who did? Yes, because everyone deserves a chance to live their dream, or at least pursue it as far as possible..but, I got a letter, for whatever reason, so you best believe I'm going to pursue this as hard as humanly possible, to the best of my ability, for my family, for my "family" on the job already, and for myself.
In closing, I'm going to repeat myself in saying that if you don't have anything positive to add to my questions, or the questions of others on this board, then keep your negative attitude/comments to yourself.
The job interview, if you've taken any time out of your day to prepare yourself by looking through old posts comes at a later time and place, 1 interview with fire dept personnel, 1 with someone with hiring department, and 1 with the EMS dept. That is a job interview, this is 100 or so people sitting in an auditorium while a human resources person, or a fire dept person discusses the job interview, it is an FYI and also to receive your background packet to fill out and return so the city can start your process. It is also the first step in weeding people out, If you don't show up, your done..if you don't bring all or all the right paperwork, your done.
Excuse some people for not being NFPA (that is national fire protection agency) 1500 ( the standard for fire dept and occupational safety and health) compliant. I myself will have a fresh haircut and be clean shaven only because that is the way I prefer to be (it is a military thing) I may or may not be in a suit, and you will be able to tell who I am because I will address everyone as sir/ma'am.
Do you want to know how I know all this? because I took the time out of my day to read old forums and to read the letter that I got. Maybe you should prepare yourself a little better before making comments. K. thanks.
and 1 more thing..since you want to talk about how people dress/wear their hair..because you remind me of those idiot officers who sit in the FOB all day and talk crap on the guys who have been on mission for days and haven't had time to shave, or have been out an outpost for a month and haven't had time to come back for a haircut, or clean their uniform..I want you to remember something..last time I checked, Delta operators, green berets, navy seals don't wear their uniforms IAW( in accordance with) AR 670-1 and most of them grow beards that I wish I could grow, and have long hair..does that make them any less professional then the idiot 2nd LT. back on the FOB doing a whole lot of nothing? I'm pretty sure the SEALs who killed Bin Laden weren't clean shaven..just saying. If someone feels more comfortable in something other then a suit then so be it. don't judge someone by how they look, judge someone by how they act, and by their character.
Now that I worked out my fingers..I'm going to the gym to work out the rest of my body..
Thanks Griff ... I agree we definitely need a new forum
Great tangent Griff... Just a few observations:
1. Your rank is higher than 1000 and received a letter. Candidates ranked in the 300s did not receive a letter. By my math, there are approx 700 individuals (and maybe more) who are more deserving of the job than yourself. They took the same test and were ranked just like you - they have a higher rank. Therefore, they should have gotten a letter before you. By accepting the position knowing this - all your talk about "family" is absurd.
2. To alphawhiskey's comment - there is a difference b/w 224 and 1136. See comment 1 above. (If there was no difference, there would be no reason to rank them then, would there???)
3. You're missing the point on the "what should I wear" comment. It is the mere fact that ppl don't have the sense to know they should dress professionally for their first step in the hiring process which is telling (for how stupid it is).
4. While I respect your military service, speaking frankly I could give a sh*t about it, when it comes to your fitness for the PFD. You still need to go through the academy. And frankly, its questionable how one's military service makes them better suited for the PFD than anyone else. Personally, I believe the PFD should give preference to educated candidates over military service. (Lloyd Ayers was in the military... need I say more??)
5. Yes, I know several members of IAFF 22 who are more than concerned about how these candidates are being cherrypicked.
Additionally your comments about the NAVY Seals not being shaved when they killed bin laden, the guys on a mission, etc.. is a non-sequitur (i.e. does not follow).
We are not talking about being clean shaven while in the line of duty. We are talking about being clean shaven and dressed in appropriate attire for your first appearance before your prospective employer. There's a big difference.
I find it very hard to fathom that you would not be "accepting" of this invitation to continue on in the process had you been given a letter. But then again, what do I know...
Why don't youse guys, whackers, wear shorts, flip flops with a tee shirt saying either, I fight what you fear, My Johnson is bigger than yours, or we do it dirty'!!
Also hang a couple of pagers, cell phones on your belt and have the tones set to be heard by everyone to the old Emergency TV program alert tone and get a Q sound bite for the other ones.
Look like an old salt with long hair, three or four days growth of chin whiskers on your face, and don't' bother to shower that day!
Now if you want a job, shower, shaved, wear a nice pair of slacks, shirt with tie, hair washed and combed and shined shoes. Look your best.
2. Is there a difference b/w 224 and 1136? See comment 1 above.
4. "I believe the PFD should give preference to educated candidates over military service." Well we were ranked based on a personality test which was not based on intelligence.
5. I do also and they would also be concerned if they started at 1 and worked there way down. This whole testing procedure was BS.
1. I vehemently disagree w/ using a personality test to determine one's rank. Yet, I also disagree w/ taking someone ranked 1,200 over someone ranked 300. Everyone is in the same boat - how hard is it to go right down the list? Cherrypicking only adds to the absurdity of this hiring process.
2. See above.
3. Extra points were given to those with military experience. No points were given to college graduates. Do you understand what I mean by preference now???