Griff did you get your letter for the medical yet? And my interviewer stated for a fact that the classes are Sept 10th and Sept 14th
Yes. This I can understand. I am very thankful for our vets. Wish I had gone in the service. And I don't want to kick this around anymore, but it is discouraging----having been prepared to be a firefighter all your adult life, and to score well on the test, be physically ready, have related experience, and, again, scoring high enough on the test to rank high enough on the list to make the next class, but may never see the dream job because all vets must be hired first, no matter what they scored on the test, and no matter what kind if shape they may be in physically. I just think that's BS. It negates the purpose of having a test and a list at all...
Anyway, good luck to everyone. Here's to PFD having several classes from this list!
If you pay attention, I'm not talking about advantages on the exams; I'm talking about vets getting HIRED first, without question, regardless of there mental, physical and emotional capabilities, and rank on the list. I would imagine, if I were on the job, I would not want some fat slob who can barely pass a civil service exam to be the guy I have to trust my life with... And this of course is not all vets, regardless of rank. All I am saying is a list is a list is a list!
Its the fact that someone in the 1800s will be hired before someone in the single digits. And that 1800 is with 10 points already added. Just so happens its vets given this preference. Could have been residents. I understand and feel your frustration Goosh.
It is what it is..someone will always get screwed. Either it is the white guy, the black guy, the Hispanic guy, the Asian guy, The Veteran, the non-veteran, the resident, the non-resident, #1 or #1000, the guy whose taken 100 firefighter exams, and the guy who has taken his first. That is life. That is the chance you take when you take the exam.
Thanks dad lol
I've said this earlier, and I'll ask/say it again..I don't know if you saw the test, I'm sure you saw the study guide. I've taken true civil service tests for corrections officer before and I've scored quite well, I've taken the ASVAB and also scored very well ( my GT score was a 118 out of 130, I could've done anything in the military I wanted) and I've taken this test. I find it hard to believe that guys like you who have been on the job, doing it day in and day out can justify that test as being fair, fair isn't the word I'm looking for...lets go with realistic. They gave us a study portion, which was pass and fail, and then they gave us an E-harmony profile to fill out that was how we were ranked. ( I know you know this)
So for anyone..ANYONE to justify that they deserve something or anything based on taking that test is absurd. Half the people didn't even bring their email for admittance. And you admitted yourself..that the slugs and idiots in the academy are non-vets..
Let me present you with a scenario..Months from now when these 2 classes graduate, you and your brothers ( I know you aren't in Philly anymore, but for the sake of conversation..) in the Firehouse have your pick of probationary firefighters and all you know about them is a general performance report from the instructors at the academy and weather they are veterans or non-veterans, who would you guys rather work with?
It is also well known, that the fire service, prefers to hire veterans based on their ability to work within a para-military environment..so while what is going on here might be considered drastic, there has been a precedent set over the last 150 or so years.
If the city has received funding from somewhere, or weather they have not to hire ALL vets off the list first, then that is what it is..I've applied to numerous federal positions where I was qualified, but lost out to nepotism..my purple heart, campaign ribbons, and overseas tours didn't mean anything because I didn't know the right person. I've mentioned earlier that the unemployment rate among returning veterans is upwards of 30%, that is disgusting and perhaps, I am bias, because I am a Vet, but everyone on this list had the same opportunity to enlist and get preference.
However, the bottom line is that the vets/non-vets that are in the process now still have to go through the same process. I can't wear clothes I went to the gym in today smelling like a vidalia onion not clean shaven, long hair, not addressing people as sir/ma'am and still make it through. I can't go into the medical weighing 300 pounds with high cholesterol, high blood pressure, pop hot for drugs, or have a funky EKG or chest Xray and still get pushed through. I can't go out and get into a high speed police chase and shoot out with PA State Police and expect a free ride to the academy. Weather You are number 1, 1800 a vet, a non-vet a paramedic whatever..you still have to get through the process and graduate the academy.
So, just because you aren't in the first academy doesn't mean you won't be in the 2nd, or 3rd, or hopefully 4th.
Would that help weed out some of the people? Yes..
But the premise of making the test easy enough for a large group of people to pass so the city has a large pool of people to pick from and hire who/how they want to is nothing new. I scored top 10 top 15 for corrections officer in about 10 counties that I tested for, before Vets points...2 years ago and I haven't been contacted for a job. Was the test that easy? I think it was ok..but in every aspect of life weather your kid trys out for a sports team in high school, or you apply for a job at a restaurant, a federal firefighter position, or a county, or city fire ems/dept, the results are the same, the test results can be skewed to effect however/whoever in whatever way is suited. The city obviously wants to hire vets..so they're going to hire vets. If they wanted to hire minorities then they would do that. An employer will hire whomever they want based on whatever criteria they have weather that be hiring standards, age, experience, or in this case...veterans status. I'm more then grateful for the opportunity to participate in the hiring process, and honestly, if they call me for gear fitting I will probably break down and cry like a little baby...
I'm still going to have to prove myself in the academy to the instructors/staff, and in the field to your brothers and sisters...and honestly, I think I will have to prove myself more because of the hiring situation and I'm ok with that. If you need me I'll be in the kitchen with a mop or brillo pad, or in the bathroom with Clorox wipes, or in the apparatus bay covered in turtle wax...and this goes for everyone who gets hired.
...hopefully, if I make it that far.
Does a conditional offer mean you're in the class as long as you pass the physical?
What I mean is, did they give conditional offers to more people than they have spots for?