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    So besides staying out of trouble and in the gym, do you guys have any other suggestions for those of us waiting on a possible later class? Like PFD books, etc.?

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    If you were at orientation, and haven't taken the independent study courses you might want to get on that just to have it done

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    Quote Originally Posted by emt-pack_mule View Post
    So besides staying out of trouble and in the gym, do you guys have any other suggestions for those of us waiting on a possible later class? Like PFD books, etc.?
    I advise that you begin familiarizing yourself with the EMT curriculum. You should be able to find enough information online to keep you busy. Even outdated books are fine just to get you familiar with the terms and topics. EMT certification is the first half of the academy....it can get overwhelming if you are not a good student or have a background in the subject area.... Also, if you don't get past EMT cert, you'll never make it to the fire side...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxer View Post
    The new social media policy does not prohibit anyone from being here or anywhere else. Every member of the department can come on here all they like, even cadets. The main issue at hand is when you identify yourself as a member of the department in your profile, etc, and then make comments which could be construed as if you are acting on behalf of the department. If you actually read the policy, it states that you should add a disclaimer in your profile that states something to the effect of "All opinions expressed are my own and are not representative of the department." Ask your officer for a full copy of the policy. Most people have bought into the hype and hearsay of the social media policy without actually reviewing the policy itself. With that said, cadets should not be on here because they should either be studying, sleeping, or at fire school...
    Strictly speaking, yes, I am not prohibited from being here. However, I am prohibited from identifying myself as who I am, and what represents a large portion of my life. I am prohibited from engaging in most of the activities I have previously done on this site and others like it. I don't believe the new Social Media policy is about people making comments that could be construed as representing the department. I believe it is because the Union, and several grass roots groups, had mounted a rather effective/troublesome effort to protest against, discredit, and embarrass this administration and many of its policies via social media. And if there is a statement in the policy about putting in a disclaimer, it IS news to me. I would LOVE to see the full policy, but I cannot. The new policy has been developed but has NOT been released yet, as of the last official communication I am aware of. What we have in the meantime are "guidelines" to control our behavior from the administration. A few of these:

    I am prohibited from posting the honest truth - "Employees shall not post any information or images involving off-duty activities that may bring a member’s or the department’s reputation into question." By this definition, I take this to mean I am not permitted to post anything critical of the department in any fashion. Even this post violates this, in some peoples' opinions. Of course there is only one opinion that matters, and I often shudder to contemplate that.

    "Employees are prohibited from posting on any Social Media site or electronically transmitting any information regarding a Fire Department incident,.." - This means I can't come on here and say we had a Job that involved 'X', we did 'Y', what would you do the same/different? One of the biggest assets of a site like this, the ability to critique and get other viewpoints in how to do my job better. Especially in the diminished ongoing training capabilities, the opportunities to seek out new (better?) methods of work is more crucial than ever. Oh well, that is no longer an option.

    "Employees shall not post on any Social Media site or electronically transmit any electronic recordings (photo images, video, or audio) of Philadelphia Fire Department property or on-duty responses/activities" - OK, no illustrated size-up type questions. No hypothetical "If you see this (picture/video/audio), how would/could/should you handle it?" ~ Of course, "The use of recording devices—camera, video recorder, audio recorder, cell phone or any device with audio and video recorder applications—is prohibited while on-duty and/or at any incident scene without prior approval from the Fire Commissioner." So I can't even obtain some of these types of images now.

    In short, you know what I meant when I said "I'm prohibited from being here." These are but a few of the salient points to made. There are plenty more. If you want to keep up this charade, by all means be my guest. But don't expect me to be party to it any further.
    Last edited by mrpita; 09-22-2012 at 01:56 AM. Reason: spelling/formatting
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    Pita, I am not sure what "charade" you are referring to... The policy is out on the T drive under Social Media Policy. It is the general social media policy for all city employees. One that is tailored specifically for us will be forthcoming. The police received theirs within the last year, so people can theorize all they want, but we were going to get a social media policy no matter what our standing was with the city/mayor. I hate to play the "devil's" advocate, but I think people are overreacting and exaggerating. Aside from identifying yourself as an employee, everything was already prohibited by either Dir 25 or Dir 48 (Media Policy). I had an experienced labor attorney review the "guidelines" and he felt they were all within the rights of the department to impose. One pertinent factor was that we are held to a higher standard and essentially have a "morality clause" with our employment. With all that said, Car 2 said at last month's staff meeting that the policy won't be as strict as it may appear. Let's face it, they can't say go ahead and post pics of any on the job incident you want....they'd be open for liability. Bottom line is don't be an A-hole and no one will care. If you post a pic and begin a discussion on what would be the best strategy and tactics, no problems. If you post the pic and say that Car x or Chief Whoever did this or that and they are inept at their job, then yeah, that's a problem, which it always has been according to directive 25. With that said, you always have the right to speak as an informed citizen for the benefit of the public at large. You certainly appear to be an intelligent person, so don't buy into the nonsense. Every business and agency around the country has or is developing a social media policy. Just look at the news section on this site to see how often guys are fired or suspended because of social media. It all boils down to common sense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxer View Post
    Pita, I am not sure what "charade" you are referring to... The policy is out on the T drive under Social Media Policy. It is the general social media policy for all city employees. One that is tailored specifically for us will be forthcoming. The police received theirs within the last year, so people can theorize all they want, but we were going to get a social media policy no matter what our standing was with the city/mayor. I hate to play the "devil's" advocate, but I think people are overreacting and exaggerating. Aside from identifying yourself as an employee, everything was already prohibited by either Dir 25 or Dir 48 (Media Policy). I had an experienced labor attorney review the "guidelines" and he felt they were all within the rights of the department to impose. One pertinent factor was that we are held to a higher standard and essentially have a "morality clause" with our employment. With all that said, Car 2 said at last month's staff meeting that the policy won't be as strict as it may appear. Let's face it, they can't say go ahead and post pics of any on the job incident you want....they'd be open for liability. Bottom line is don't be an A-hole and no one will care. If you post a pic and begin a discussion on what would be the best strategy and tactics, no problems. If you post the pic and say that Car x or Chief Whoever did this or that and they are inept at their job, then yeah, that's a problem, which it always has been according to directive 25. With that said, you always have the right to speak as an informed citizen for the benefit of the public at large. You certainly appear to be an intelligent person, so don't buy into the nonsense. Every business and agency around the country has or is developing a social media policy. Just look at the news section on this site to see how often guys are fired or suspended because of social media. It all boils down to common sense...
    ......and you trust Car 2 because.......????? It wont be as strict as it may appear....until it suits his or Lloyd's or da club's agenda.........Just sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    ......and you trust Car 2 because.......????? It wont be as strict as it may appear....until it suits his or Lloyd's or da club's agenda.........Just sayin.
    Never said I did, however I do believe that the policy is not as restrictive as people think. I think the "guidelines" memo was a way to see where and how much we'll push back and then develop the final policy. I don't think any of this is related to anything except the city-wide policy. There are too many conspiracy theorists that think everything is done because of a club alliance or as revenge....some things are, but not everything.

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    Since its like crickets in here anyone hear anything new? Is there a class definitely in session as we speak...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Time View Post
    Since its like crickets in here anyone hear anything new? Is there a class definitely in session as we speak...
    There are 2 classes currently in session. The 186 and the 187.
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    Im not realy sure whats goin on here but i had a family member go to the thrill show and she received a flyer that said this

    The philadelphia fire department
    ATTENTION
    philadelphia fire department
    will begin hiring 2013
    starting salary
    40,036-55,603
    for more information contact the
    pfd recruitment unit
    email: pfd.recruitment@phila.gov
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    (215)685-3749
    (215)685-3748

    so i emailed them and they sent this back to me

    Salutations/Greetings,
    Thank you for your interest in The Philadelphia Fire Department. The Recruitment Unit is currently gathering Firefighter applicant information for the 2013 application /test season. If you are interested in applying, please forward your name, home address, cell/home number, email address, sex, race, birth date and if you are bilingual. This information will be placed in our database and when the application is open in 2013 we will notify you with any relevant information.

    Should you have any questions, clarifications, and/ or concerns. Feel free to contact us at 215-685-3749 or email us at pfd.recruitment@phila.gov

    so im not realy sure how many more guys there gona hire off the current list befor they put this test out...... has anyone heard anything?

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    Yea if the list is 2 years long it makes sense to start the application process early 2013, not a big deal tho because look how long it took them after the announcement to have an open application period, hold a test, release results, and have the process begin, it took almost a year from the open application period last time for things to start moving along. Its a good thing if they are working on another test, it means theres jobs to be had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antny9111 View Post
    Im not realy sure whats goin on here but i had a family member go to the thrill show and she received a flyer that said this

    The philadelphia fire department
    ATTENTION
    philadelphia fire department
    will begin hiring 2013
    starting salary
    40,036-55,603
    for more information contact the
    pfd recruitment unit
    email: pfd.recruitment@phila.gov
    fore more info call
    (215)685-3749
    (215)685-3748

    so i emailed them and they sent this back to me

    Salutations/Greetings,
    Thank you for your interest in The Philadelphia Fire Department. The Recruitment Unit is currently gathering Firefighter applicant information for the 2013 application /test season. If you are interested in applying, please forward your name, home address, cell/home number, email address, sex, race, birth date and if you are bilingual. This information will be placed in our database and when the application is open in 2013 we will notify you with any relevant information.

    Should you have any questions, clarifications, and/ or concerns. Feel free to contact us at 215-685-3749 or email us at pfd.recruitment@phila.gov

    so im not realy sure how many more guys there gona hire off the current list befor they put this test out...... has anyone heard anything?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    It is against the law to ask your sex and race!!!
    Not for 'da club!
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    I really do hope they hire more classes off of this current list...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the shadow View Post
    I really do hope they hire more classes off of this current list...
    Is there any chance the list will be extended? I mean, I think it would be fair especially with over a thousand people scoring a 100 or better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    Fair? Hah! I'm sure there will be another couple classes off this list, it will have nothing to do with fairness however.

    I don't know what that "2013 testing" thing is about. The list is supposedly good for 2 years from the date it is established as the official list, which was this year. So I can't imagine another test until sometime 2014.... crazier things have happened though.
    Perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with Civil Service Regulations. A list must be in effect for at least 1 year but in no case longer than 2 years.

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    I wouldn't worry about it too much guys. I remember when I went through the process that quite a few of the people involved with the process seemed quite confident that there would be a few more classes after the ones in September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGuyPhilly View Post
    Perhaps you should reacquaint yourself with Civil Service Regulations. A list must be in effect for at least 1 year but in no case longer than 2 years.
    Every list in recent memory has been 4 years....but things can always change.... Would have to justify the expense to the mayor though since he actually gives approval...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxer View Post
    Every list in recent memory has been 4 years
    That was due to the Consent Decree which required 4 year lists. The Consent Decree is now defunct. Civil Service Regulations are back in effect.

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    Hey FirePuss, I've been working in this city probably while you were still in diapers. I know how things work. I also know the rules & regs. You should STFU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    Funny you mention rules and regulations again. I wonder how many times the city follows any "rules" or "regulations" but their own. All I'm saying is if the city can get away with ignoring it, they will.

    I'm pretty sure the city is spending more money on lawyers fighting Act 111 than if they were to award retro raises back to 08 with 10% each year for everyone. They don't care about the firefighters, and do whatever they want when it comes to how they treat them. In ALL aspects of the job, contracts, hiring and even retiring with that new crappy pension plan new guys get.

    BTW, I didn't know you had 33 years on the job. That's a long time to be a garbage man. You probably did pick up some of my diapers back then, hope it wasn't too much for you to handle.
    Spoken like a typical five-year wonder that doesn't know ****.

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    So if they are going to be putting a class or two through in Feb/March then I would guess that letters for orientation would go out sometime around this month or November. Has anyone heard anything new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    I'm pretty sure the city is spending more money on lawyers fighting Act 111 than if they were to award retro raises back to 08 with 10% each year for everyone. They don't care about the firefighters, and do whatever they want when it comes to how they treat them. In ALL aspects of the job, contracts, hiring and even retiring with that new crappy pension plan new guys get.
    I'm curious how the new pension differs from the previous one?

    I know there are no lifetime benefits which is an eye opener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Time View Post
    I'm curious how the new pension differs from the previous one?

    I know there are no lifetime benefits which is an eye opener.
    Actually, new hires will have the option to go into Plan 87 which is a defined benefit pension plan. Instead of paying 5%, you will have to pay 6%. Still better than Plan 10 which is a defined contribution plan (401k).

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