Thanks for the info and I'll pass it on to the Union President. It seems to be a real sticky point of them not wanting to work with non-union / outside agency employees.
Wow...If you perceive that this is what you see then I'm sorry. We have an excellent relationship with our Union and he has stated that they can work with what we decide. I have checked with the IAFF and found out that they DO have Locals who are EMS and not Firefighters. I by all means did not go into this with my mind made up and we as a Commission do work with our employees. To say so otherwise is the wrong impression to make. I am an elected official who has had the luxury of being on the other side of the table and was and still am a member of the IAFF. So when it comes to the well being of our Local....I do have their interests in mind and have gone the distance to support them.
Like FireMedic049 said, there are EMS-only locals in the IAFF, but there are stipulations to it. The big one is that the EMS agency must be a government entity, either local or county. The IAFF also looks at the individual department and its stability, such as likelihood of sustainment and past employee turnover rate. Our EMS department had to go through this process a few years ago when we joined, and had to prove that we had a lower turnover rate than surrounding EMS agencies.
Our EMS is County based...so I think there will be no problem except that they "Want" to join. I was given the name and number for their representative to call if they are interested.
Thanks again for all of the suggestions as I knew this was the place to go to get answers...
In the simplest layman's terms, a Utstein percentage is how many cardiac arrest patients from a given EMS system that are discharged from the hospital alive. Places like Wake County and Boston EMS have Utstein percentages in the 40's. Your DCs, Chicagos, and Detroits are somewhere below (usually far below) 10%.
It's commonly considered a measurement of how advanced, effective, and competent an EMS system and its providers are, and helps identify areas for improvement.
The systems that have no idea what their Utstein is... well, that's usually a sign of larger issues.
So send your three guys back to the trucks and send the medics back to their agency.Quote:
It seems to be a real sticky point of them not wanting to work with non-union / outside agency employees.
So you're a member of the union you're supposed to negotiate with? How has no one raised a conflict of interest issue about this yet?Quote:
I am an elected official who has had the luxury of being on the other side of the table and was and still am a member of the IAFF.
In all likelihood he a non-active member of the Local, assuming that is where he worked as an IAFF member. The IAFF has provisions that allow a person promoted out of the bargaining unit to remain a member of the IAFF while serving in that position - essentially a "leave of absence" kind of thing.
For example, my department's chief is still an IAFF member, but is not involved with our Local.
Additionally, he may or may not be directly involved with union negotiations. In my department, we negotiate with the City, not the Fire Chief (we don't have a Commissioner) although the City may consult with him on some matters.
I worked a cardiac arrest a few years ago, probably mid-50s female. By the time we got her into the ambulance, we had a rhythm, good pulses and a reasonable BP, however she was not breathing on her own yet. We transported to the closest facility (about 5 minutes away) arriving in pretty much the same condition.
Before the primary Paramedic was finished giving the report, due to the ER staff's inattention, the patient was back in cardiac arrest (unknown how long before they noticed) and pronounced dead before we had the unit clean up. How exactly does that reflect poorly on us (EMS)?
Your EMT. Their paramedic. But you're doing the work. Got it.Quote:
We do the work as it is our EMT's who do the work not theirs we just get the County to pay for their benefits and wages.
Then why did you ask?Quote:
You have to see our interactions to know what I'm talking about.....
Really Jay, while the question may have been simplistic, the reality is the circumstances involved are quite complicated. There really is much more involved and valid concerns than to just easily feign this off as just union vs non-union as has been mentioned.
I don't know where you get the idea that someone is saying that your district and union don't work together, because I haven't seen that in the comments here. Although you did say that you see the big picture and the union president doesn't, which can be taken out of context too.
The question is simple, the circumstances aren't.