Just a little good natured car ribbing, I actually love mustangs.....
....9/10 are driven by some cute girls.
I kid, I've always dreamed of someday owning a 66, flat black, no chrome beast with a keith kraft 427 under the hood.
Also, from my experience, borla and corsa and some of the top non-custom exhaust makers in the country, I've had nothing but amazing experiences with them both.
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07-30-2011, 07:58 PM #41
Last edited by tajm611; 07-30-2011 at 08:03 PM."I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey
07-30-2011, 09:51 PM #42
Bringing the thread back on topic...
Bill Carey just posted this...
“A difference of opinion is what makes horse racing and missionaries.”
Will Rogers was correct.
I'm at a barn watching a show and browsing the net, taking in all the unsolicited advice the experts have, equestrian and fire service. Wrong bridle; wrong seat; didn't lunge enough; lunged too much; elbows out; inside leg too far forward; it's all over. Such is competition. One, maybe two judges in the ring and dozens in the stands, some who never showed a day in their life, much less pick out a hoof.
The same goes for the fire service. Not an incident goes by that is in our news pages, forums and blogs where Anonymous chimes in with all the facts and corrections laid out. It's not wrong to immediately question and reason why, especially when things go bad, but I believe it is disrespectful to do so under a veil of anonymity and without willingly laying out one's background. Countless opinions are given which eventually are found to be tied mostly to predetermined beliefs and have very little factual support.
So while watching and hearing all the ring "advice" I'm reading "advice" on Asheville as well. The investigation is hardly out of the gate and the questions have already started:
Why were they in there when they had no water?
Why were they in there when everyone was reported safely out?
Why don't they have competent incident commanders who can properly gauge the risks?
You and I can't prevent those questions and rightly so. We will certainly go down a slippery slope if we begin limiting what can be asked of such deaths. The problem is that they lack tact when asked before the embers are cool. They also lack respect – given and earned – when asked in anonymity.
Captain Bowen's grave isn't even dug yet and people are already judging him, others and the department from the comfortableness of home or firehouse.
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The horse pictured is mine. I don't show so I don't offer show advice and answers. I know my horse, but not others as much, so I don't offer horse advice either. If asked, I can give an opinion based on my experience and knowledge, but in the end it's only an opinion.
With every line of duty death – well, at least the glamorous firefighting ones – demands for answers come faster and faster and respect is kicked further down the curb. Opinions are pressed to be accepted as fact without even a glance into the presenter's experience. Differences of opinion do nothing more than divide us when fail to put our own history on the table. Much like racing and religion we push our favorite horse, our favorite belief. The problem is that many people do this and have never publicly mounted up or never publicly taken up a cross.
That crap has to stop. If you feel so strongly about your opinion that you need to publicly state it before the first shovel tosses dirt in the grave, then get a pair and show your name and department wherever you comment. Even if others disagree with you, they will have some respect for you.
http://backstepfirefighter.com/2011/...up-or-shut-up/"I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey
07-30-2011, 10:43 PM #43
07-30-2011, 11:00 PM #44"I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey
07-31-2011, 07:25 AM #45
To return to topic... another gem from Backstep Firefighter...
Anonymous is a kick butt firefighter
Remember, for every time you point a finger at some department there are three more pointing back at you.
“Mr. FireSlayer161, in your many years as an aggressive firefighter, would you please tell the audience how many fires you’ve been to?”
“Been to or put out?”
“Well, let us restrict it to ‘put out’ so we may have a manageable figure.”
Yes folks, the time has come that Dave and I have decided to follow the example of Brotherhood Instructors and no longer allow anonymous comments to our posts. It is not as though we receive a ton of comments, well, me anyway, but it has been something that has been on my mind for at least a year only to resurface after following the comments on recent D.C. fires on STATter911. Brotherhood Instructors had this ‘policy’ years ago when they were just starting out. It’s a good tool that fosters better and more respectable discussion. Briefly speaking to Chris Collier on the decision, I agree with his view that it is easier to respectfully disagree with someone when they sign their name to their comments. We try to provide you with information that challenges you to think more, think deeper, about “the job” and an integral part of that challenge lies in the comments afterward. We’ve had no problems with our comments but it concerns me that so many people are anonymously vehement in their opinions in other blogs and forums. In most of these occurrences the discussion nose dives into a mess of adolescent name calling and general stupidity.
So, before it even begins to happen here, all comments must include your name or the name of your department. Either one, it makes no difference. If you don’t, well we can do nothing for you. It’s one of the best ways we can all learn from each other in this increasingly technological age as well as show your true grit.
Bill and Dave
"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
07-31-2011, 08:21 AM #46
07-31-2011, 02:21 PM #47
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07-31-2011, 05:59 PM #48
07-31-2011, 06:08 PM #49
07-31-2011, 06:21 PM #50
My former department's policy makers finally came to their senses and removed volunteers from most suppression units because the data showed they had an abysmal rate of response. There were numerous incentives offered and none of them worked. They were even given an extra year to improve their response and it only got worse.
The reality is this urban environment didn't lend itself to that model any longer.
Last edited by scfire86; 07-31-2011 at 06:23 PM.Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."
08-01-2011, 01:00 AM #51
08-01-2011, 01:45 PM #52Stay Safe
“Guys if you get hurt, we’ll help you. If you get sick we’ll treat you. If you want to bitch and moan, then all I can tell you is to flick the sand out of your slit, suck it up or get the hell out!”
- Capt. Marc Cox CFD
Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.
08-01-2011, 04:25 PM #53
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08-01-2011, 04:53 PM #54
Stop trying to imply you're an authority on anything remotely attached to the fire service. You've proven you are not. I'm sure you're good in a classroom setting but that matters little when real decisions have to be made in realtime involving real human consequences.
Given your insistence and pursuit of finding ways to avoid doing your job I would suggest you pursue a career that is more suited to your willingness to take risks.
Perhaps you should inquire about a career path in baking french pastry or small animal grooming.Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."
08-01-2011, 07:19 PM #55"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
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