Ron, we need a new Brainteaser PLEASE! T.C.
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07-31-2011, 05:49 PM #1
07-31-2011, 09:10 PM #2
08-01-2011, 08:37 AM #3
That's the BEST you can do for a UE Brainteaser? Truly sad. Go ask Dad if he has any ideas. T.C.
08-01-2011, 09:52 AM #4
08-01-2011, 10:33 AM #5
First - OUCH!
I'd be requesting a heavy-duty tow asap to the scene - to assist with stabilization of the truck and possbily being able to take some pressure off the car.
In my old department, we had airbags - if the first responding dept didn't have them, would be calling M/A for them - we also had a heavy duty tow company with LARGE airbags - (they used them to right an engine once).....
Hoping the driver of the car had time to duck sideways!
08-01-2011, 10:55 AM #6
Obviously, the contents of the truck would be a concern.
Airbags, cribbing, yes on the HDuty Tow.
We don't run a heavy rescue, so we'd have to go m/a for that.I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.
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08-01-2011, 12:19 PM #7
08-01-2011, 01:08 PM #8
One thing I would watch for it how the removal of any car parts will affect the stabilization of the truck - can't tell if the roof is totally flat - but if you cut a post on the other side and the roof isn't flat, you might do more harm than good - same with removing a door even - would need to really look at the integrity of the car to see if the truck would crush it even more - hopefully there is a LOT of cribbing already set up!
08-01-2011, 01:40 PM #9
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- Southern California
Heavy Tow to respond, possibly with an escort depending on life saving need.
Request (1) additional Heavy Rescue Task Force. Task Force to consist of (1) Heavy, (1) Light, (1) Truck Company and the rest to be Engines.
I'd start "top to bottom":
Initially stabilize the Garbage Truck using the ARS or Rescue 42 Struts (heavy duty).
Build some box cribs and add additional support using our Air Bags (we have up to 67 ton Air Bags).
Once the Garbage Truck is stabilized, work to stabilize and lower the smaller vehicle using straps (if possible).
To extricate a Pt in the small vehicle, take all (3) posts on the Passengers' Side and use the top of the Garbage Truck to give me a "crease" and fold the roof. Re-assess how the Pt is stuck and reformulate the Extrication Plan, if needed. Let the Medics in to start Pt Treatment and continue with the other issues at hand.
Once the Light Tow was on scene, see if we have created enough space to move the small vehicle away. If not, lift using either the Struts or the Air Bags. When the Heavy Tow gets there, coordinate with the Driver to provide stabilization and upright the Garbage Truck.
After reading what the OP was looking for, simply put I'd add a Heavy Tow, Heavy Rescue Task Force, depending on the amount of materials leaking think Haz-Mat Team notification and put an Air Ambulance on stand-by (for the trauma Pt).
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08-01-2011, 08:56 PM #10
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- Why? It's not like you're going to visit me! But I'm near Waco, Texas
I like how they did it in the set of photos. Stabilize and pull the garbage truck off of the car. Then extricate like normal. It would be nice to have the equipment to do all that here. I would be calling in mutual aid from far away to get a heavy rescue here.NREMT-P\ Reserve Volunteer Firefighter\Reserve Police Officer
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08-02-2011, 12:22 AM #11
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For the most part the passenger compartment of the car is stabilizing the trash truck and any significant compromise such as cutting any of the posts and pillars under a load will most likely cause the trucks weight to shift. The vehicle placement does not provide for ideal rigging of either low or high pressure lifting bags. Initial stabilization by fire department rescue personnel followed by further stabilization and lifting preparation by a towmaster utilizing a heavy duty wrecker. Extricate passenger side occupants without compromising any of the posts and pillars and then complete a controlled lift/roll uprighting the trash truck. Once the trash truck has been lifted then complete remaining extrication on driver's side of vehicle. At that point you can easily and safely complete a sidewall removal, roof removal, jack the dash or what ever else is required. Preplanning and training with the towing company for these type of incidents ahead of time will greatly imporve extrications times.
08-02-2011, 08:52 AM #12
I don't think there is much risk of the garbage truck lighting off, but I'm sure there is some funk leaking from the back.. especially if we have to flow water/foam for whatever reason. Hazmat may not be needed, but adding an engine company for gross decon may be warranted.So you call this your free country
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