I did a search and wasn't satisfied with the few answers I found. What techniques do you guys use with your webbing to pull, push, drag, hang, etc. victims from a burning building. Quick and dirty or detailed and pretty, doesn't matter. I have one that I perfer but I am curious as to what others use. I like having a loop, putting it under the back and putting the arms through the loops, then doing somewhat of a girth hitch to the top of the back. Seems to give *some* support for the head and makes for a rather easy pull. Havent had anyone responsive complain that it hurts (other than if it pinches the skin while I tighten it).
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08-13-2011, 02:28 AM #1
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08-13-2011, 08:34 AM #2
08-13-2011, 02:35 PM #3Robert Kramer
Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.
"Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.
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08-13-2011, 03:50 PM #4
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I was teaching an entry level RIT class and we were doing victim movement. I had several cocky FFs in the class who believed they would just grab a victim and go. It didn't take nore than a couple of evolutions trying to drag firefighters across the floor and up OR down stairs to realize that the few seconds it takes to use webbing will speed up the victim removal once you get them moving.
Can it be done without webbing? Of coursei it can. Well, under many cicumstances anyways. That is not he question. Ease and speed of removal are the question.“The person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is nothing, and becomes nothing. He may avoid suffering and sorrow, but he simply cannot learn and feel and change and grow and love and live.” Leo F. Buscaglia
This place gets weirder and weirder every day...
08-13-2011, 10:42 PM #5
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I by no means am saying that i have done or seen hundreds of grabs. However
On every real fire that i have seen or the very few that i have personnelly pulled out i have never seen someone one pulled out by webbing.
I cannot speak for the people i have seen pull someone out but, the 4 people I have pulled out I did not use my webbing.
Is that because I dont have webbing in my pocket?
Nope i always carry it in my right pants pocket.
Is it because I have never trained on using my webbing to pull someone out?
Nope done hundreds of drills using it. Thought about thousands of times.
Then why did i not use it in real life?
I found the person and said O F***!!! I found someone and grabbed them and pulled em out. The webbing never crossed my mind. Maybe it is because i dont have 30 years on the job or thousands of fires yet, IDK.
Now that is not to say that I do not train on using it to pull someone out or i would not if i am having trouble pulling someone out and i thought of the webbing i carry. I simpily would wrap the loop around them and stick on end through the other and pull. Simpile quick and easy. If they slip out wrap it again.
Wrapping the loop around someone in a certain spot, doing a girth hitch, making a little craddle for the persons head, pulling it tight to not pinch the skin, and gently slidding them out is not going to happen under real active fire conditions. To many steps to much detail to do in heat, smoke and, cluttered houses add that to you mind pumping full of adrenaline. I dont see it happening. Add in the fire attack crew advancing the line, the rest of your company getting in the way.
Perfect example my first fire at my current department. After the fire one of the senior guys told me hey rookie next time run the line over the railing on the front pouch and not up the steps. i said ok great idea thanks. I bet it took me 2 more months and about 10 fires to remember whilie running the inital line hey moron run the line over the rail.
08-14-2011, 08:17 AM #6
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08-18-2011, 08:35 PM #8~Drew
USAR TF Rescue Specialist
08-31-2011, 03:38 PM #9
Has anyone used the nutmeg drill/method of removal?I can think of no more stirring symbol of man's humanity to man than a fire engine.
08-31-2011, 04:23 PM #10I can think of no more stirring symbol of man's humanity to man than a fire engine.
08-31-2011, 04:42 PM #11
No. That's way too much effort when there are far easier ways. Not to mention the fact you're probably in a hostile environment and you are forced to look down only and not up where your fire conditions are, your back up guy has to basically stand all the way up....
I'm sure it works in training but there are far more efficient and quicker ways to do it when the **** hits the fan."I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey
08-31-2011, 04:47 PM #12
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08-31-2011, 06:18 PM #14
Looks like it, two guys ****ting it and getting it would have their partner out of the room by the time "nutmeggers" finished spooning."I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey
09-01-2011, 10:49 AM #15
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09-08-2011, 01:10 PM #17
I just imagine ending up with the biggest guy we have and both of us dying. The embarrassment of being found spooning is too much to bear. Especially since everyone would assume you were the one wanting to be held at your last moments."I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey
09-08-2011, 02:25 PM #18
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09-12-2011, 04:02 PM #20
How did it get the name nutmeg??
With all due respect to the guys at 45/58...it looks like something from the gay Olympics.
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