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    I did a search and wasn't satisfied with the few answers I found. What techniques do you guys use with your webbing to pull, push, drag, hang, etc. victims from a burning building. Quick and dirty or detailed and pretty, doesn't matter. I have one that I perfer but I am curious as to what others use. I like having a loop, putting it under the back and putting the arms through the loops, then doing somewhat of a girth hitch to the top of the back. Seems to give *some* support for the head and makes for a rather easy pull. Havent had anyone responsive complain that it hurts (other than if it pinches the skin while I tighten it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ob1027 View Post
    I did a search and wasn't satisfied with the few answers I found. What techniques do you guys use with your webbing to pull, push, drag, hang, etc. victims from a burning building. Quick and dirty or detailed and pretty, doesn't matter. I have one that I perfer but I am curious as to what others use. I like having a loop, putting it under the back and putting the arms through the loops, then doing somewhat of a girth hitch to the top of the back. Seems to give *some* support for the head and makes for a rather easy pull. Havent had anyone responsive complain that it hurts (other than if it pinches the skin while I tighten it).
    That is pretty much the standard method. Why mess with what works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefuss View Post
    phuk the webbing and get em out. Webbing is great if your in a situation without time restraints. But personally, if there's a fire in the building i'm not wasting time. I find someone, i pull them out. I dont care how good and fast you can tie the thing up. I guarantee if we both find a victim in a fire building at the same time, im out before you tie the guy up.

    That being said, webbing is awesome for many reasons. You can use it for almost anything. Made many improvised harnesses with the stuff, and its great for securing patients to stokes baskets. Just saying, if its a matter of time, which in a burning building it usually is, grab the guy and go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    Phuk the webbing and get em out. Webbing is great if your in a situation without time restraints. But personally, if there's a fire in the building I'm not wasting time. I find someone, I pull them out. I dont care how good and fast you can tie the thing up. I guarantee if we both find a victim in a fire building at the same time, Im out before you tie the guy up.

    That being said, webbing is awesome for many reasons. You can use it for almost anything. Made many improvised harnesses with the stuff, and its great for securing patients to stokes baskets. Just saying, if its a matter of time, which in a burning building it usually is, grab the guy and go.
    Sure you wil beat him out with a child or a petite adult. Not a chance with a large adult or if you have to go up stairs.

    I was teaching an entry level RIT class and we were doing victim movement. I had several cocky FFs in the class who believed they would just grab a victim and go. It didn't take nore than a couple of evolutions trying to drag firefighters across the floor and up OR down stairs to realize that the few seconds it takes to use webbing will speed up the victim removal once you get them moving.

    Can it be done without webbing? Of coursei it can. Well, under many cicumstances anyways. That is not he question. Ease and speed of removal are the question.
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    I by no means am saying that i have done or seen hundreds of grabs. However

    On every real fire that i have seen or the very few that i have personnelly pulled out i have never seen someone one pulled out by webbing.

    I cannot speak for the people i have seen pull someone out but, the 4 people I have pulled out I did not use my webbing.

    Is that because I dont have webbing in my pocket?

    Nope i always carry it in my right pants pocket.

    Is it because I have never trained on using my webbing to pull someone out?

    Nope done hundreds of drills using it. Thought about thousands of times.

    Then why did i not use it in real life?

    I found the person and said O F***!!! I found someone and grabbed them and pulled em out. The webbing never crossed my mind. Maybe it is because i dont have 30 years on the job or thousands of fires yet, IDK.

    Now that is not to say that I do not train on using it to pull someone out or i would not if i am having trouble pulling someone out and i thought of the webbing i carry. I simpily would wrap the loop around them and stick on end through the other and pull. Simpile quick and easy. If they slip out wrap it again.

    Wrapping the loop around someone in a certain spot, doing a girth hitch, making a little craddle for the persons head, pulling it tight to not pinch the skin, and gently slidding them out is not going to happen under real active fire conditions. To many steps to much detail to do in heat, smoke and, cluttered houses add that to you mind pumping full of adrenaline. I dont see it happening. Add in the fire attack crew advancing the line, the rest of your company getting in the way.

    Perfect example my first fire at my current department. After the fire one of the senior guys told me hey rookie next time run the line over the railing on the front pouch and not up the steps. i said ok great idea thanks. I bet it took me 2 more months and about 10 fires to remember whilie running the inital line hey moron run the line over the rail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Sure you wil beat him out with a child or a petite adult. Not a chance with a large adult or if you have to go up stairs.

    I was teaching an entry level RIT class and we were doing victim movement. I had several cocky FFs in the class who believed they would just grab a victim and go. It didn't take nore than a couple of evolutions trying to drag firefighters across the floor and up OR down stairs to realize that the few seconds it takes to use webbing will speed up the victim removal once you get them moving.

    Can it be done without webbing? Of coursei it can. Well, under many cicumstances anyways. That is not he question. Ease and speed of removal are the question.
    Ive been "lucky" enough to have been to a couple fires where actual grabs were made....each time, if we had attempted to put webbing on the victim, they would surely have been dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    Again, if I found a victim in a burning building, which is the scenario the guy was talking about, its grab and go. If the person is "large" I personally would still call for an assist and manhandle the guy outta there. It takes 10 seconds for a guy to get up the steps and help. It may be ugly, but they're out. The less time in that environment the better. Like nyc said, on the grabs he's been involved in, if they waited and tried to tie the guys up, they'd probably of died.

    Not at all downplaying the awesomeness of webbing, but for actual fire dwelling rescues... nah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireFuss View Post
    Again, if I found a victim in a burning building, which is the scenario the guy was talking about, its grab and go. If the person is "large" I personally would still call for an assist and manhandle the guy outta there. It takes 10 seconds for a guy to get up the steps and help. It may be ugly, but they're out. The less time in that environment the better. Like nyc said, on the grabs he's been involved in, if they waited and tried to tie the guys up, they'd probably of died.

    Not at all downplaying the awesomeness of webbing, but for actual fire dwelling rescues... nah.
    Push/pull works well. Also gives the oppurtunity for a member to have their face in a patient's crotch!

    Webbing would be great for long drags, like a warehouse. But most fires are in dwellings, muscle them out.
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    Has anyone used the nutmeg drill/method of removal?
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    Here's a link if anyone is interested. http://youtu.be/qG2wS8pkyR8
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    No. That's way too much effort when there are far easier ways. Not to mention the fact you're probably in a hostile environment and you are forced to look down only and not up where your fire conditions are, your back up guy has to basically stand all the way up....

    I'm sure it works in training but there are far more efficient and quicker ways to do it when the **** hits the fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    No. That's way too much effort when there are far easier ways. Not to mention the fact you're probably in a hostile environment and you are forced to look down only and not up where your fire conditions are, your back up guy has to basically stand all the way up....

    I'm sure it works in training but there are far more efficient and quicker ways to do it when the **** hits the fan.

    Thats what i thought, looks like it would be time consuming. anyways i came across the video on you tube and figured id share it and get some feedback
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIT4 View Post
    Here's a link if anyone is interested. http://youtu.be/qG2wS8pkyR8
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    Looks like it, two guys ****ting it and getting it would have their partner out of the room by the time "nutmeggers" finished spooning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Is that a joke?



    They seem pretty serious about it. Im glad im not the only one that feels that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    Looks like it, two guys ****ting it and getting it would have their partner out of the room by the time "nutmeggers" finished spooning.

    hahaha BINGO!!!
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    I just imagine ending up with the biggest guy we have and both of us dying. The embarrassment of being found spooning is too much to bear. Especially since everyone would assume you were the one wanting to be held at your last moments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    I just imagine ending up with the biggest guy we have and both of us dying. The embarrassment of being found spooning is too much to bear. Especially since everyone would assume you were the one wanting to be held at your last moments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    I just imagine ending up with the biggest guy we have and both of us dying. The embarrassment of being found spooning is too much to bear. Especially since everyone would assume you were the one wanting to be held at your last moments.
    Just think of the great memorial tee shirts we could make though.
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    How did it get the name nutmeg??
    With all due respect to the guys at 45/58...it looks like something from the gay Olympics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by len1582 View Post
    How did it get the name nutmeg??
    With all due respect to the guys at 45/58...it looks like something from the gay Olympics.
    What are the events for the gay olympics?


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