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    Default Awarded AFG in 2003 for PPE, too soon to reapply?

    Just looking for some input from anyone with a bit of knowledge...

    Our company was awarded AFG in 2003 for turnout gear. Some of the gear is beginning to show significant signs of wear even though it's maintained fairly regularly. In addition, many members have come and gone through that time and are wearing gear that is several years older.

    Is it too soon to reapply and look into replacing all of the gear? Even the 2003 gear does not technically meet the current 1971 standards I'm sure. Or, are we better off trying to just get the stuff from the late 90's out of circulation? 100% compliance is the goal, correct?

    Any input would be appreciated on this.

    Also, cost benefit question. I've seen a little equation mentioned in other threads. Rural department, population of 11,000 and we are looking at 20 sets of gear.

    Thanks everyone, stay safe!
    Eric Minnich, Captain / NREMT-P
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaxmanEDM View Post
    Just looking for some input from anyone with a bit of knowledge...

    Our company was awarded AFG in 2003 for turnout gear. Some of the gear is beginning to show significant signs of wear even though it's maintained fairly regularly. In addition, many members have come and gone through that time and are wearing gear that is several years older.

    Is it too soon to reapply and look into replacing all of the gear? Even the 2003 gear does not technically meet the current 1971 standards I'm sure. Or, are we better off trying to just get the stuff from the late 90's out of circulation? 100% compliance is the goal, correct?

    Any input would be appreciated on this.

    Also, cost benefit question. I've seen a little equation mentioned in other threads. Rural department, population of 11,000 and we are looking at 20 sets of gear.

    Thanks everyone, stay safe!
    Even though the current standard gives PPE a 10 year service life, that is still dependent on the department's call volume, number of structure fires etc. Departments with high numbers and work, the PPE will have to be replaced sooner vs. other departments.

    Even though you may have a good agrument to replace all of the PPE the PR's may see it a different way. The AFG is designed to provide FD's with basics PPE, SCBA, vehicle etc. The AFG wasn't designed for departments to go back to the grant well to replace what they replaced years ago. The PR's will see that you were awarded PPE in 2003, they will question why the department did not implement a PPE replacement program to address future needs. Something that you will have to explain in the narrative.

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    unless you have a large structure fire call volume it will not score well in peer review. You have 7 yo gear bought with AFG funds, so you have had 7 years to put aside funding to replace used up gear.

    There are still many rural departments that have members wearing 20+ yo gear , or none at all that will get a much higher priority than you will in scoring.
    In the Application it ask for you to describe all federal grants received in the past.
    The computer will see this as will the PR.

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