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    Quote Originally Posted by jccrabby3084 View Post
    So who and what pays the bills to live on while unemployed and being actively recruited as a volunteer? Should unemployed thus look to stay unemployed to the max allotted time, living off the govt subsidies so that the volly dept can thus capitalize on the fact these people don't have a job, leaving them more readily available for response?

    Not to mention those who have no expeirence and now being required to attend training and certification classes, and for what kind of incentive? Really, what is the incentive for unemployed to stay in a community that isn't supplying jobs, just to be a FF for the community? If about the community and "giving back" well, being unemployed kind of shoots that down don't you think?


    The thing is when recruiting, there should be some form of incentive, be it for anything, job, volunteering etc. So what is the unemployed's incentive to volunteer? Just because they have the time? However, training to really be certified can take a couple months. A time frame perhaps not as condusive to seeking other employment. Sure there may be some pay for calls and training, but how much are you offering? Is it worth the time committment to get certified and able to do this?
    We need to make sure we as a service is making good use of a volunteer's time not matter if they are employed or not. And part of recruiting, employed or unemployed community members is making sure that we are delivering a package of incentives that do make it worth their time to volunteer.

    My only point with this was that if there are a larger pool of potential members in the community available to volunteer, for whatever the reason may be, the local VFD should take advantage of the situation and yes, ramp up their recruiting efforts.
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    So basically target the larger group of available recruits (larger group= influx of unemployed). Yet we're not targeting the unemployed, we're just looking for those people who aren't employed and aren't looking for a job anymore, because that'll be a great person to have on a fire department. No, we're not targeting them, we're just pinpointing our efforts towards them, not targeting. There's nothing disgusting about asking people in an unfortunate situation to give up their time and do things for free. There's nothing wrong with asking them to give up their time used for job searching and come over and train to a standard that's only accepted at one, single department. There's nothing wrong with that at all nor is it as repulsing as it sounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    So basically target the larger group of available recruits (larger group= influx of unemployed). Yet we're not targeting the unemployed, we're just looking for those people who aren't employed and aren't looking for a job anymore, because that'll be a great person to have on a fire department. No, we're not targeting them, we're just pinpointing our efforts towards them, not targeting. There's nothing disgusting about asking people in an unfortunate situation to give up their time and do things for free. There's nothing wrong with asking them to give up their time used for job searching and come over and train to a standard that's only accepted at one, single department. There's nothing wrong with that at all nor is it as repulsing as it sounds.
    Are we dragging them in off the street?

    You have An issue with recruiting the unemployed as a part of our normal recruiting efforts. Fine. I don't.

    Let's just leave it at that.
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    I don't have a problem with recruiting anyone capable of the job, it's back peddling your way out of promoting the recruitment of unemployed because "they have the time". It's insulting to the people who fell on hard times and disgraces your department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    I don't have a problem with recruiting anyone capable of the job, it's back peddling your way out of promoting the recruitment of unemployed because "they have the time". It's insulting to the people who fell on hard times and disgraces your department.
    Never "peddled my way" out of recruiting the unemployed.

    As a department we do very little if any recruiting because we don't need to as we have enough people coming to us. Most have jobs as the unemploment rate here is well below the national average, but some of them don't. It really doesn't matter to us one way or the other as long as they meet the minimum training requirements. If they have the time to go beyond the minimum, that's great, and honestly, we really don't care if it's because they are motvated or they have the time because they may be unemployed.

    Honestly, it's really not our business.

    It's really not the department's business as to why prospective members have the time to join. Some of the unemployed are drawing benefits, and are content with that, and do have the time to possibly try something new or try something they haven'tg had the time to try while they were employed. Why they decided to walk in the door is something that honestly is their business, not our's.

    As one poster said, recruiting for many departments that need staff should be something that is a constant process, and if they process continues as planned during a down emplyment cycle, and draws some new blood in that may be unemployed, that's fine with me.
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    I really hope you reread what you just posted and take out the part of "the unemployed are drawing benefits, and are content with that". I know you're not that stupid. Have fun with your ignorance, I'm not in the mood to argue with a person who has your childlike mentality.
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    This post is really, pretty lame. I'm unemployed, I volunteer, I use it to help fill the gap in my resume, I'm using it to explore, train, and get certified in a new career field, and I use it to network with people within the commmunity to perhaps open doors for me job wise that may not have been opened before. I feel that if you are unemployed, and do or do not collect benifits the least that you can do, as a american, is to give back to your community weather it be a volunteer firefighter, or picking up trash along the roadway, or starting a neighborhood watch, even meals on wheels.

    Just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    I really hope you reread what you just posted and take out the part of "the unemployed are drawing benefits, and are content with that". I know you're not that stupid. Have fun with your ignorance, I'm not in the mood to argue with a person who has your childlike mentality.
    I'm really not sure what you are argueing about.

    If a member of the community has the time and the interest to become a meber of the local VFD, why they have the time or if they are employed or not is honestly not the business of the department.

    If they are unemployed, and choose not to spend the time looking for work, but instead choose to join the local VFD as a result of our normal recruiting effort, that is not the department's business. Last time I checked, being unemployed was not a disqualifying factor for being a member of a VFD, and by the way, it's not the role of the fire department, it's members or it's officers to decide if someone who may be unemployed should or should not be looking for work rather than being at the station.

    Again I'm really not sure what the arguement is about. The OP simply asked if it was ok for a VFD to increase it's recruiting efforts during a period of higher unemployment in thier area. I see no issues with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Just so you know...I have been a volunteer for 29 years now.
    Have you also been unemployed for 29 years? If not, then your comment is irrelevant.
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    Well considering the majority of all the county is covered by volunteers and volunteers do make up the larger percentage of firefighters I think they hold some importance in our world today. Are there bad volunteers? Yes, but I have seen some career folk that scared the tar out me with their tactics and behavior too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescueLupo View Post
    Well considering the majority of all the county is covered by volunteers and volunteers do make up the larger percentage of firefighters I think they hold some importance in our world today. Are there bad volunteers? Yes, but I have seen some career folk that scared the tar out me with their tactics and behavior too.
    The majority of the country's cities may be protected by volunteers, but the majority of the country's population (you know, folks who actually call 911) are protected by professionals.
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    do you have a point or are you just rambling again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tajm611 View Post
    do you have a point or are you just rambling again?
    Yes, and no to your questions. Don't blame me if you don't understand.
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    You're right. I forgot how you're the smartest person whose ever lived. I can't wait for Arizona Bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    The majority of the country's cities may be protected by volunteers, but the majority of the country's population (you know, folks who actually call 911) are protected by professionals.
    So where do the poor patrons of your area come in?

    And folks who actually call 911? You mean they don't call 911 where there are volunteers? Or do you mean more medicaid taxi calls go to 911? As the majority of our region is protected by volunteers that do their service in a very professional manner, can we just shut down the 911 centers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    So where do the poor patrons of your area come in?

    And folks who actually call 911? You mean they don't call 911 where there are volunteers? Or do you mean more medicaid taxi calls go to 911? As the majority of our region is protected by volunteers that do their service in a very professional manner, can we just shut down the 911 centers?
    You are right in a way SC ...

    However, when the forest is burning maybe the trees don't call 911, but the people do. When the train derails 10 miles from nowhere, it's not the train that calls 911, but the people do.

    Same with those pesky tornados, hurricanes and floods.

    Your ignorange of what the volunteers do and how well they generally do it continues to astound me, though by now, it's not a surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    I know one thing....If god forbid I lose my job, the last phucking place I am going to be is at the VFD waiting for the big one. My azz is going to be pounding the pavement finding work to pay the mortgage and feed the kids.
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    With all due respect to my VFD, I'll be looking for a job not spending time with them at the station. Sure most places are open during normal business times Monday through Friday, 9 to 5 and then and only then would I spend time with my VFD. I have other priorities on my mind and they will just have to understand that I have to keep the roof over the family as well as food on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    I know one thing....If god forbid I lose my job, the last phucking place I am going to be is at the VFD waiting for the big one. My azz is going to be pounding the pavement finding work to pay the mortgage and feed the kids.
    True, though there is one caveat. Several news and blog sites that I've read over the past year have recommended volunteering or donating time when unemployed to obtain new skills or employment. While I certainly would advocate continuing to search for a new job, consider some of the benefits of volunteering:

    1. You demonstrate your ability or desire to continue to be involved in something. As an employer, that's something I'd look at. Times are tough, but sitting on your butt doing nothing isn't good either.

    2. Certification (EMS, health care, fire, etc) that can be used to gain employment. We have several high school graduates with no other education on our department who have joined, obtained their EMT/Paramedic through affiliation with our department, and have made a career of it.

    If I lost my job, I wouldn't be down at the VFD 40 hours a week.. but I guarantee if I didn't have somewhere else to be (other than spending time with my family), I'd be sucking up every training and certification I could get to pad my resume.

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