I came across this video of a timed event of a Sutphen midmount vs I believe a E-One rear mount. Interesting video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_WIh...layer_embedded
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I came across this video of a timed event of a Sutphen midmount vs I believe a E-One rear mount. Interesting video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_WIh...layer_embedded
I don't think the members operating the E-One aerial could have moved any slower or been any more nonchalant. It's obvious they were set up to be the slower machine in this quote "comparison video". Sorry, not buying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by taskforce16
The attached video is a more realistic representation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=p6Z4uQeJL88
I totally agree. The second video is much more realistic.
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Originally Posted by donethat
I know you didnt create this video, you merely found it and posted it. Obviously this video is to show Sutphen come out ahead, hence it is posted by "Sutphen Corporation"Quote:
Originally Posted by taskforce16
First off, comparing a Mid Mount to a Rear Mount is obviously different in jacking operations. Anyone who has ever worked aerials, knows that.
These one the E-One were either not bright, or never worked with the truck. also wasted putting a helmet on, and chocking the front tire? 15 seconds wasted there.
Additionally, the guys from the E-one didn't hit the ground until second 4, they also weren't trained in proper plate placement. If you take a plate out, and place the corner on the ground and rotate the plate 90` and drop it flat, it will lay in perfect position every time! That is why the plates were sized that way. It takes approx. 3 seconds each plate to place, if you have 2 guys you can drop the all 4 plates in less than 7 seconds. Also they waste from 39 seconds to 59 seconds for adjusting plate placement.
I have been an operator a duplicate of this E-one (2002 95ft HP Quint). I have been timed many times with a full crew and operator only. With a crew, with full gear, on a job, with 3-men doing engine ops and 2 men doing roof ops, 1min 13 is my WORST time.
Without gear, with two men it can be done in under 60 seconds.
here is the only video I can find on E-one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Z4uQeJL88
I merely point all this out, BECAUSE I find it comical, how Sutphen is trying to show up E-One and they produced the video to benefit their product.
Next trip up to jersey, I will go to my old house and shoot a few videos
I agree that the E-one crew was way too slow.
I'll also say that I can get out and the tailboard FF sets the jackpad and he and the captain head for the bucket. As soon as they are in the bucket, the truck is ready to go in the air (both sides pinned).
I've had our truck setup, pinned, and ready to go in the air (from seated and belted) in as little as 23 seconds. That is with a FF doing the officer's side pad and pin. This is on an SP95.
I'm throwing the bs flag on this one. It is apparent who put this comparison on.
I or anyone can do the same thing, with any apparatus maker that are similar to have the one they want the win do so.
:rolleyes:
This has already been discussed on Sutphen's Facebook I believe. The E-One crew had no idea what they were doing. I drive a HP95 every third day and it can be done much quicker than that.
Definetly BS....I drive one everyday for the last 8 years and it is much faster then demonstrated. It appears as if the E-One crew was a local fire depratment crew that has rules to follow (I.E. place wheel chocks, required certain PPE, etc.) and that the Sutphen crew was dealers with no rules. While I am not a big fan of our E-One, you have to be very happy with the jacking system when compared to the others on the market.
No need for me to dog pile here......apples and oranges and one sided.
Posted by oper77
Chocking the wheels is an integral part of every fire op for SAFETY!Quote:
These one the E-One were either not bright, or never worked with the truck. also wasted putting a helmet on, and chocking the front tire? 15 seconds wasted there.
I noticed that the operators of the Sutphen didn't chock the wheels and appears to have short jacked the rig... and we know what can happen when they do that... look at this Sutphen
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...z/nojacks2.jpg
Some of you don't put down wheel chocks? Seriously?
We did a time comparison with our neighboring fire district on a stuphen mid vs pierce rear mount. The pierce is run by a company who uses and trains more on theirs. The stuphen still beat the pierce.
The crew didn't short jack. The outriggers are at full spread. This is proven when the bucket man comes out of the bed before the pedestal man is in place. There are two overrides on the Sutphen (one on pedestal and the other at the outrigger panel). Both switches must be pressed at the same time. The over-ride can be "fooled" at the pedestal, but not the bucket!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo
From this 2008 story from Firefighter Close Calls, it appears that the jacks weren't spread - as stated by the operator of the vehicle. The photos seem to show the same - they're clearly still nested.Quote:
Originally Posted by SCOOBY14B
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Originally Posted by GTRider245
never seen chocks put down for our engines or trucks. I would be surprised to see any of our guys put chocks down unless we were on a steep hill.
Uh, did you see that picture? Did the outrigger on the right side snap off? We of course know from the original article what the case was, but I'd think you could readily see the err of your post?Quote:
Originally Posted by SCOOBY14B
I bet the operators manual on your rigs state to put wheel chocks down.Quote:
Originally Posted by nameless
It's always been the procedure to chock the wheels over this way in our FD.Quote:
Originally Posted by nameless
Go back and read Gonzo's post. He was referring to the video posted, as was I. The outriggers are NOT short jacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187
No "err" in my post. Read my reply above.Quote:
Originally Posted by RFDACM02