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    Thumbs up ITT Afghanistan

    Hello everybody, just wondering if anybody has had a recent job offer from ITT in AFG ? Not looking for the "know it alls" to comment and talk smack. Just trying to see if anybody else is in the same process that I'm in with ITT. such as FF D/O and Crew Chief positions.

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    Yes, I have received an offer and am in the process of taking a physical. I was offered the fire protection specialist job. I have tried to gather some information about conditions in AFG and have been informed that they are not the best. I have worked contract before in Iraq and Kuwait and all I can say based on my contract experience is to remain flexible and understand that you are NOT at home and things will be quite different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillips69 View Post
    Yes, I have received an offer and am in the process of taking a physical. I was offered the fire protection specialist job. I have tried to gather some information about conditions in AFG and have been informed that they are not the best. I have worked contract before in Iraq and Kuwait and all I can say based on my contract experience is to remain flexible and understand that you are NOT at home and things will be quite different.

    I worked in Iraq for a few years also and at some of the worst bases, fully aware of the living conditions and the hurry up and wait deal. Just trying to see if anyone else is in the process and moving forward with ITT. ITT AFG has a really awesome offer package compaired to any of the contracts that Ive been presented to so far. So I'm looking forward to see how they deliver.

    Good luck in your process!

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    Hi I'm new to this forum and have justr recieved and accepted a job offer with ITT in Afghanistan. I am waiting to take my medical exam and just recieved a deployment checklist from my recruiter. This list of stuff he said to take with me seems to be a bit much and it sounds like alot of stuff that i will never use. Can anyone offer any advice on what I should pack to take with me when i deploy. Also I have a question about uniforms...recruiter says that I have to buy cargo pants and t-shirts as a uniform others have told me that they are issued which is right? Any information that anyone can help with will be greatly appreciated.
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    After a two month wait (thank you very much Occu Med) i'll see you all in South Carolina Jan 9th.

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    You really do not want to take too much stuff with you. Pack most of the extra things in a box and leave it so family can mail it to you once you have a base assigned. Its winter, so have a nice hoodsy with you, or jacket, it get very cold at night, and in the mornings when you get up. You should have 2 pairs cargo pants and a few t-shirts with you, just in case when they issue gear they are out of your size. It happens a lot. Pack lots of sox and underwear. and the toiletries you like to use, other then that, computer, phone. The rest you can order online or ship from home.

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    I will be there Jan 9th

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    Anymore info on this job? Still hiring? Minimum certs required? Recruiter info? Pay rate?

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    They are still hiring, you must have FF 2, Hazmat 1, Driver Operator Pumps, Airport Firefighter, ARFF D/O minimum.... Cant give out recruiter info but just apply and see what happens but I can honestly say if you dont have the above certs dont even waste your time cause you wont get selected. Pay is 120-180 for FF D/O

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    On my website, I've started posting the latest open positions for some of the overseas jobs in firefighting. I am currently in Afghanistan and would be more than happy to answer anyone's questions. I don't know everything, but I started out in Iraq back in 08 and know a little about the contract world.

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    I find it funny that I receive emails from ITT saying: "We have reviewed your qualifications, but we regret to inform you that you do not meet our qualifications at this time." Gee that's funny, I've never even applied to ITT, I work in the Federal System as a GS-7 as a Fire Inspector, and I get rejected for a job I never submitted for?

    What the H E double L is ITT doing if they are rejecting people who've never applied? My Prevention Chief also received an email AFTER they supposedly offered him a job, but then he received the same email I did after he asked them about compensation! They said something about "we don't discuss salary until after you've accepted the position" Well, he didn't accept anything so they sent him the same email stating that "We have reviewed your qualifications, but we regret to inform you that you do not meet our qualifications at this time."

    What a weird company! If thats the way they operate. . . . . . . . . . . .?

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    That is strange. I worked for ITT and was processed almost immediately with no problem. Having worked for them, I have met several people who all had an easy process. I have friends who are currently processing also and, so far, none have had that kind of experience. Did you talk to anyone at their main office? As far as salaries go, when I was hired, I was told everything up front before I was asked to accept the job offer.

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    I have been in contact with the webmaster for contractfirefightersdotcom and he has been very helpful with his information. I have applied to ITT a few times and I am waiting to hear from them now. I am currently in the Marshall Island. Now I am just waiting. But, the info on the website is very good.

    Hope this helps.
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    Dan, can you pm me sometime? I'm looking for info about Kwaj.

    Thanks.

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    I've been with ITT in Afghanistan for nearly 2 years now. Feel free to PM me with any questions.

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    there is no PM link for you. I tried this morning. I have applied for the dispatching position as soon as I saw it posted and still haven't heard anything from them. I have FF1-2, ARFF, DO/Pump,ARFF, Telecom1-2, Hazmat Tech, Officer1-2. All are either Proboard or DOD. So why I haven't heard anything from them is beyond me. I am on Kwajalein Atoll now. So I am just waiting...
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    dortiz, we just got word here this AM that ITT is cutting 50% of the FF's in-country. From what I have heard they already shutdown the pipeline and where you previously had to justify NOT to recontract a FF now you have to justify to keep them.

    Could be the reason you have yet to get a call back.

    One question: why on earth would you want to dispatch?

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    Wonder if that could be because the firefighters (ops guys) walk around like they invented fire (which is funny and sad when you take into account the cert vs. actual experience ratio), do nothing but sleep, play video games, and watch tv all day, then, they cry like babies when they have to actually do something. Just a thought. And yes, I have witnessed this with my own two eyes. Maybe ITT has figured out they can get the same service with fewer people.

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    I wouldn't count on the 50% cut.
    Last edited by sixtwosix; 03-27-2012 at 02:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDLUFT35 View Post
    Wonder if that could be because the firefighters (ops guys) walk around like they invented fire (which is funny and sad when you take into account the cert vs. actual experience ratio), do nothing but sleep, play video games, and watch tv all day, then, they cry like babies when they have to actually do something. Just a thought. And yes, I have witnessed this with my own two eyes. Maybe ITT has figured out they can get the same service with fewer people.
    You sound disgruntle, maybe you didn't have the certs or experience, or maybe both. I don't know.

    I'm not sure if you noticed but Afghanistan is a war zone and the fire service in a war zone is primitive at best. What do you expect the department to do all day? Flow test Hydrants? Don't have any. Polish the brass? Don't have any. Wash the apparatus? On water restriction. I could play this game all day long.

    I'm not arguing that we do much, however I challenge you to show me an organization that does in government work. People like you use the FD as an easy target and we are. After all, we get paid to work out, we get days off, and we sleep on-duty.

    Have you ever heard the saying, "If you can't beat'em, join'em"? Maybe it's time to stop complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt Rum View Post
    You sound disgruntle, maybe you didn't have the certs or experience, or maybe both. I don't know.

    I'm not sure if you noticed but Afghanistan is a war zone and the fire service in a war zone is primitive at best. What do you expect the department to do all day? Flow test Hydrants? Don't have any. Polish the brass? Don't have any. Wash the apparatus? On water restriction. I could play this game all day long.

    I'm not arguing that we do much, however I challenge you to show me an organization that does in government work. People like you use the FD as an easy target and we are. After all, we get paid to work out, we get days off, and we sleep on-duty.

    Have you ever heard the saying, "If you can't beat'em, join'em"? Maybe it's time to stop complaining.
    Funny....I have certs. Earned every one of 'em. They weren't spoon fed, bought, or handed out. As far as experience, how many fires have you actually seen? I don't mean in your "war zone", in your whole, vast firefighting career? I'm pretty sure I've got you and probably 2 or 3 of your buddies covered. Disgruntled? Not really. I've done my time in contracting so I know what it's really like; got those t-shirts, too. I've also heard guys crowing on chat boards and in other forums about how they gey paid huge money and do zip. Maybe the wrong people have seen what you actually do on a day to day basis. Just pointing out a fact, whether you want to admit it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDLUFT35 View Post
    Wonder if that could be because the firefighters (ops guys) walk around like they invented fire (which is funny and sad when you take into account the cert vs. actual experience ratio), do nothing but sleep, play video games, and watch tv all day, then, they cry like babies when they have to actually do something. Just a thought. And yes, I have witnessed this with my own two eyes. Maybe ITT has figured out they can get the same service with fewer people.
    Man get out of here with that BS, Speaking about the (ops guys) im guessing your a inspector and just jealous cause they are making more money with less workload... And actually ITT has they highest certification requirement in all of LOGCAP for Firefighters so if someone has 4 years prior service good for them they are trying to get a gold dime just like everyone else. I stated in the FIRST post i didnt want this to turn into a "talking SMACK" like all the rest so find another forum to make your comments at....

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    Who made you God of the forum??? I've worked both sides of the house and yes, ops guys get paid a lot to do nothing. Inspectors get paid a lot less to do the most work. That's reality. It's also why there's a shortage of inspectors. My problem is with some of these prima donna types with 3-4 years of military experience, that, by their own admission, isn't much in the way of actual firefighting experience, just a bunch of paper. Example: one FF I knew said he saw only a couple of actual fires his whole military career. A couple of fires. Then, they get over in the contract world, get paid big bucks, and act like they invented the fire service. That's my problem. Rum's post is a bunch of garbage. He knows I'm right and so do you. Anybody with any contract experience and a brain in their head knows it too. At least the ones that are not "eat up with ego", as most of these paper firefighters are.

    Oh yeah...one other thing....while ITT mayhave one of the highest cert requirements, the cert is only paper without the experience behind it. Anybody can get a cert. Not everyone that has it has the experience to go with it. And while training constantly is a good thing, it does not replace the real thing. And in my experience, the "war zone" training is a joke.

    Good luck with the job retention, guys. You're gonna need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDLUFT35 View Post
    Who made you God of the forum??? I've worked both sides of the house and yes, ops guys get paid a lot to do nothing. Inspectors get paid a lot less to do the most work. That's reality. It's also why there's a shortage of inspectors. My problem is with some of these prima donna types with 3-4 years of military experience, that, by their own admission, isn't much in the way of actual firefighting experience, just a bunch of paper. Example: one FF I knew said he saw only a couple of actual fires his whole military career. A couple of fires. Then, they get over in the contract world, get paid big bucks, and act like they invented the fire service. That's my problem. Rum's post is a bunch of garbage. He knows I'm right and so do you. Anybody with any contract experience and a brain in their head knows it too. At least the ones that are not "eat up with ego", as most of these paper firefighters are.

    Oh yeah...one other thing....while ITT mayhave one of the highest cert requirements, the cert is only paper without the experience behind it. Anybody can get a cert. Not everyone that has it has the experience to go with it. And while training constantly is a good thing, it does not replace the real thing. And in my experience, the "war zone" training is a joke.

    Good luck with the job retention, guys. You're gonna need it.

    You speak of arrogance in contract firefighters? The way you talk it would seem you are the only person to have ever fought a fire, or earn a cert. Get over yourself! My experience is this: the guys that brag about fires they've seen--havenít seen any at all.

    If you actually read my post I said, "I'm not arguing that we do much". So what's garbage? I practically agreed with you. I don't believe anyone comes over here to fight fire, we come to make money.

    I can't speak for you and I wouldn't even try to fill those huge shoes. However, did you ever stop to think the experience with contractors you speak of could be just that--Your experience! The group of guys I work with are some of the most intelligent, experienced and hardworking that I have had the pleasure to stand beside in my short 10 year career. So if you want to bad mouth someone speak of specifics rather than generalities.

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