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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    There are still plenty of body builders who will be using Spartan. Although as already mentioned, Rosie made up a good portion of the current market.
    Yes, there are still a lot regional builders that are going to use the Spartans, and as you mentioned, Crimson is still out there as well. But to still take away 50% of your annual sales is risky.

    I wasn't aware that E-One, Pierce, KME or Suthpen built trucks on anyone's chassis but their own. At least in recent memory.
    I haven't seen E-One build on another chassis in many years, and Pierce hasn't built on anyone else's chassis in decades. We had a KME rescue pumper built on a Spartan Gladiator chassis in my area last year, based on the customer's desire for a specific cab and body width.
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    Smile more coming

    Right now in this country there are some fairly new manufacturing facilities available cheap and tax breaks from the community. More builders will be building thier own chassis.

    Crimson don't look like such a bright idea after all.

    Get your resos for FDIC there will be some new steel to look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce355 View Post
    We have gone away from "or equivalent". In my opinion, it's up for interpretation. You can write in KME Predator, Pierce Quantum, Spartan Gladiator.
    Properly written, it's our interpretation, poorly written, it'll theirs.

    Our specs generally detail what we want, but specifically allow a bidder to take exception and provide an equivalency for our approval. Some items are specifically mandatory and do not allow exceptions. Big ticket items such as the chassis might end up with bidders walking away, while smaller items often are excepted and equivalencies are proposed.

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    I cannot disagree with you at all. We know what we dont want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    There are still plenty of body builders who will be using Spartan. Although as already mentioned, Rosie made up a good portion of the current market.

    Plus they still have Crimson.



    I wasn't aware that E-One, Pierce, KME or Suthpen built trucks on anyone's chassis but their own. At least in recent memory.
    The city I live in has an E-One/Spartan, not sure what year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Yes, there are still a lot regional builders that are going to use the Spartans, and as you mentioned, Crimson is still out there as well. But to still take away 50% of your annual sales is risky.



    I haven't seen E-One build on another chassis in many years, and Pierce hasn't built on anyone else's chassis in decades. We had a KME rescue pumper built on a Spartan Gladiator chassis in my area last year, based on the customer's desire for a specific cab and body width.

    It may be more risky for the foriegn owned Rosenbauer to stop using the most popular American made chassis and switch to their own. And who wants the first run of anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFD_E73_RET View Post
    It may be more risky for the foreign owned Rosenbauer to stop using the most popular American made chassis and switch to their own. And who wants the first run of anything?
    I tend to agree. It's going to have to be a hell of a chassis to make us look beyond Spartan at my department (and I think there's a lot like us), so Rosenbauer just basically was eliminated from consideration at my department in the future (and we have two General's that a lot of us like, and as the old guard gets old, General had a real shot at more rigs with us instead of the crap we've recently bought).

    I won't go so far as to say it'll be a foreign chassis, as my money says they'll be built in Minnesota alongside their ARFF chassis. But lots of folks had a real problem with the name when I sold Rosie, because of the so called "foreign" name... Right or wrong, that's there.

    Obviously, if Rosenbauer had their way - they'd still have access to the Spartan chassis, I'm sure.

    I know this gives them the coveted sole source line now, but this whole mess should be interesting to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801 View Post
    I won't go so far as to say it'll be a foreign chassis, as my money says they'll be built in Minnesota alongside their ARFF chassis.
    The chassis is 100% US designed and built from the frame rails up. As you suspected, the chassis will be built in Wyoming, MN right alongside the ARFF rigs. It's not a European chassis with an American flavor to it. Since the president of Rosenbauer, Richard Schalter, was also a past president of Spartan Chassis, I don't think it's a stretch to say that you'll see Spartan influence on the chassis. Not that RBA's out to make a copy-cat chassis by any stretch, but there's no shame in exploiting the strengths of other competitors designs.

    But lots of folks had a real problem with the name when I sold Rosie, because of the so called "foreign" name... Right or wrong, that's there.
    Do you think that's a regional thing? I've yet to hear that comment in all of my travels, and I've seen some Rosies sold in some pretty out-of-the-way areas.

    I hear from sources that something like 10 or more of the new RBA chassis have already been contracted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post

    Do you think that's a regional thing? I've yet to hear that comment in all of my travels, and I've seen some Rosies sold in some pretty out-of-the-way areas.

    I hear from sources that something like 10 or more of the new RBA chassis have already been contracted.
    It's funny. I sold some Central stuff to some real hillbilly folks, and I'm not meaning that mean - they were Rosenbauer branded, and no one cared. But in the Chicago suburbs, you would have thought I was trying to sell the first rig off the line from a no-name company...

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not slighting the Rosenbauer endeavor to build chassis. I just think it'll be an interesting thing to watch the dynamics of it all, regarding the new chassis, Spartan, if HME picks up anything out of it, etc.
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    I understand that like Spartan, the RBA cab will be built by Marion and then shipped to General to finish. Is that your understanding Box?
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