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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Are you familiar with the recent dissolvement of the Rosenbauer/Spartan relationship?
    Does this have any affect on Crimson?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Does this have any affect on Crimson?
    No, Crimson, Toyne, 4-Guys, Smeal, CustomFire aren't effected. Only Rosenbauer, Seagrave, E-One, or any other manufacturer that provides it's own chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Are you familiar with the recent dissolvement of the Rosenbauer/Spartan relationship?
    I didn't read well enough - thought they weren't a preferred partner any longer... Shutting down the supply entirely? Hmmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    No, Crimson, Toyne, 4-Guys, Smeal, CustomFire aren't effected. Only Rosenbauer, Seagrave, E-One, or any other manufacturer that provides it's own chassis.
    Link? I am afraid I don't know what you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Link? I am afraid I don't know what you're talking about.
    Same here......I'm very curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801 View Post
    I didn't read well enough - thought they weren't a preferred partner any longer... Shutting down the supply entirely? Hmmm...
    Pricing has to be done by February 1, and orders placed before April 15.
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    I'm not sure if a publicly available link can be found (yet), but a couple of weeks ago, Rosenbauer was informed by Spartan that they wouldn't be a supplier of chassis to them for any chassis not ordered prior to April 15. The Rosenbauer chassis will be publicly unveiled in late February, so you drawn your own conclusion about Spartan's decision on this.

    With Rosenbauer purchasing 50% of the chassis currently coming out of the Spartan plant, we'll have to see what the long-term impact of this business model will be.

    Now, I have to predict that if there IS a financial impact on Spartan, it won't be for some time...although I don't know for sure, I bet you'll see Rosenbauer do a large order of Spartan chassis to have on-hand for those customers that still desire a Spartan rather than the new Rosenbauer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    I'm not sure if a publicly available link can be found (yet), but a couple of weeks ago, Rosenbauer was informed by Spartan that they wouldn't be a supplier of chassis to them for any chassis not ordered prior to April 15. The Rosenbauer chassis will be publicly unveiled in late February, so you drawn your own conclusion about Spartan's decision on this.

    With Rosenbauer purchasing 50% of the chassis currently coming out of the Spartan plant, we'll have to see what the long-term impact of this business model will be.

    Now, I have to predict that if there IS a financial impact on Spartan, it won't be for some time...although I don't know for sure, I bet you'll see Rosenbauer do a large order of Spartan chassis to have on-hand for those customers that still desire a Spartan rather than the new Rosenbauer.

    Gotcha. I guess I am still a little confused as to the effect this will have on the other single source manufacterers you listed.
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    I wonder with the Spartan cutting ties with the various manufactures, if HME will generate any sales from past Spartan customers?

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    I believe E-One dropped the Spartan option quite some time ago.

    This the rise of Obama/surrender in Iraq Spartan has lost a huge amout of military chassis. RV business is also still pretty poor.

    Perhaps Spartan has a new plan. Spartan buys Pierce and/or Oshkosh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Gotcha. I guess I am still a little confused as to the effect this will have on the other single source manufacterers you listed.
    Very little, since you see very few Spartan-chassised rigs coming out of Clintonville, Ocala, or Nesquehoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireinfo10 View Post
    I believe E-One dropped the Spartan option quite some time ago.

    This the rise of Obama/surrender in Iraq Spartan has lost a huge amout of military chassis. RV business is also still pretty poor.

    Perhaps Spartan has a new plan. Spartan buys Pierce and/or Oshkosh?
    There are still plenty of body builders who will be using Spartan. Although as already mentioned, Rosie made up a good portion of the current market.

    Plus they still have Crimson.

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    Very little, since you see very few Spartan-chassised rigs coming out of Clintonville, Ocala, or Nesquehoning.
    I wasn't aware that E-One, Pierce, KME or Suthpen built trucks on anyone's chassis but their own. At least in recent memory.
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    In 2009 KME provided us two separate bids for our rescue engine, one with a KME Predator cab and chassis and one with a Spartan Gladiator chassis. We specifically requested the Gladiator in our spec but said manufacturers could bid an equivalent.

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    Rumor has it, it ain't just rosie. Because were spec'ing a new rig, the phone has been ringing, from Spartan supplied manufactures. Seems they wanna speed things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFPD2005 View Post
    In 2009 KME provided us two separate bids for our rescue engine, one with a KME Predator cab and chassis and one with a Spartan Gladiator chassis. We specifically requested the Gladiator in our spec but said manufacturers could bid an equivalent.
    We have gone away from "or equivalent". In my opinion, it's up for interpretation. You can write in KME Predator, Pierce Quantum, Spartan Gladiator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    There are still plenty of body builders who will be using Spartan. Although as already mentioned, Rosie made up a good portion of the current market.
    Yes, there are still a lot regional builders that are going to use the Spartans, and as you mentioned, Crimson is still out there as well. But to still take away 50% of your annual sales is risky.

    I wasn't aware that E-One, Pierce, KME or Suthpen built trucks on anyone's chassis but their own. At least in recent memory.
    I haven't seen E-One build on another chassis in many years, and Pierce hasn't built on anyone else's chassis in decades. We had a KME rescue pumper built on a Spartan Gladiator chassis in my area last year, based on the customer's desire for a specific cab and body width.
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    Smile more coming

    Right now in this country there are some fairly new manufacturing facilities available cheap and tax breaks from the community. More builders will be building thier own chassis.

    Crimson don't look like such a bright idea after all.

    Get your resos for FDIC there will be some new steel to look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce355 View Post
    We have gone away from "or equivalent". In my opinion, it's up for interpretation. You can write in KME Predator, Pierce Quantum, Spartan Gladiator.
    Properly written, it's our interpretation, poorly written, it'll theirs.

    Our specs generally detail what we want, but specifically allow a bidder to take exception and provide an equivalency for our approval. Some items are specifically mandatory and do not allow exceptions. Big ticket items such as the chassis might end up with bidders walking away, while smaller items often are excepted and equivalencies are proposed.

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    I cannot disagree with you at all. We know what we dont want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    There are still plenty of body builders who will be using Spartan. Although as already mentioned, Rosie made up a good portion of the current market.

    Plus they still have Crimson.



    I wasn't aware that E-One, Pierce, KME or Suthpen built trucks on anyone's chassis but their own. At least in recent memory.
    The city I live in has an E-One/Spartan, not sure what year.

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