New aerial coming along.....

[FWDbuff]

Hey FIREMECH1, someone better call the paint shop, the truck is the wrong color!

YOU better get your eyes checked, the FIRE TRUCK is the correct color. It's not a School Bus or DPW Dump Truck!!!!!

[Rescue101]

To all I would like to retract my statement to the chief and others on this post, that it may be a Smeal and for the record I stand corrected. Thanks for the keen eye Rmcantee.
Good luck with the new truck Firemech1.

Certain parts WOULD resemble a Smeal, for a CERTAIN reason. The lift cradle being ONE. A Smeal,this one IS NOT T.C.

[Rescue101]

Yeah, there is just something about arriving before the engine and actually being able to do something until they get there that makes me love the fact that our department runs quints instead of the traditional truck company concept.

Ding! Ding! Ding! WINNAH! WORKS here too! T.C.

[Rescue101]

Hey FIREMECH1, someone better call the paint shop, the truck is the wrong color!

No,it's Ripe! Mebbee you should park YOURS in the sun, hehe T.C.

[chiefengineer11]

No,it's Ripe! Mebbee you should park YOURS in the sun, hehe T.C.

We tried that for years. The only things that turned red were a couple of valves behind the pump panel. How that happened is one of the mysteries of life. We finally had to go out and buy a red truck.

[FWDbuff]

We finally had to go out and buy a red truck.

Members of the company loved yellow so much that they voted overwhelmingly to go back to red.

[FWDbuff]

Ding! Ding! Ding! WINNAH! WORKS here too! T.C.

I know who both of my parents are, so they dont make me ride on a queernt.

[FIREMECH1]

Hey FIREMECH1, someone better call the paint shop, the truck is the wrong color!

I'll let this one go. I think you've been berated good enough on your color choice. Which incidentally, SUCKS. Ha-Ha

Never mind. This is FireMech's thread.

Please, do say or tell. I've got thicker skin than you think if it concerns me. Otherwise, blast away at whatever your thoughts are. I don't believe in censorship in any shape or form.

As for the luck I've been given for this rig, we just may need it. With the fallout of what transpired, we are a little worried about the end result. The only good thing is, is that it is "RED". HEHE

FM1

[FWDbuff]

Please, do say or tell. I've got thicker skin than you think if it concerns me.

Nawww it wasnt gonna step on your toes at all......I just didn't wanna turn this into another "Queernts Suck" thread.

[BULL321]

I'll let this one go. I think you've been berated good enough on your color choice. Which incidentally, SUCKS. Ha-Ha


As for the luck I've been given for this rig, we just may need it. With the fallout of what transpired, we are a little worried about the end result. The only good thing is, is that it is "RED". HEHE

FM1

It's hard to the right thing sometimes. So I understand, I really do, as to why some of you guys bow out/down to peer pressure, and went from ALF Chrome Yellow to tomato red.

SO. . . . . . if you ever get a longing for the "good old days" feel free to come on down and hang out with some real fire trucks!


But in all seriousness though, It looks like a very nice truck. I wish you the best of luck and yea it could be worse Brother, if you know what I mean. I got my fingers crossed with our new HME that should be here in March.

[FWDbuff]

SO. . . . . . if you ever get a longing for the "good old days" feel free to come on down and hang out with some real fire trucks!

Give me directions to the public works garage or the school district bus yard please

[Rescue101]

I know who both of my parents are, so they dont make me ride on a queernt.

Well,I don't have to send an ENGINE to get my ladderpipe to WORK. AND you? Oh wait.......I KNOW the answer. The SMARTEST guy in your family tree couldn't find much to fault on OUR rig so I don't know what YOUR issue is. Given you have never seen it up close and personal. And I KNOW I've told you this before.......BUT.......I didn't buy the RIG for YOUR use, we bought it to serve the unique needs of OUR community. Which it does,VERY nicely. Now about that Steak? T.C.

[rmcatee1]

Well,I don't have to send an ENGINE to get my ladderpipe to WORK.

This morning, I ran across a small history booklet of sorts produced by ALF in 1972. It outlines the history of the company with many photos to go along with it. At the end of the booklet, they show the "Century" series of apparatus and I had to chuckle when I saw the note at the bottom of the page beneath the Snorkel: "Quintuplet" operation available on aerials. What would it read today if published "Straight aerials available"?

[FWDbuff]

Well,I don't have to send an ENGINE to get my ladderpipe to WORK. AND you? Oh wait.......I KNOW the answer. The SMARTEST guy in your family tree couldn't find much to fault on OUR rig so I don't know what YOUR issue is. Given you have never seen it up close and personal. And I KNOW I've told you this before.......BUT.......I didn't buy the RIG for YOUR use, we bought it to serve the unique needs of OUR community. Which it does,VERY nicely. Now about that Steak? T.C.

That "Smartest Guy" has always said to me "Real ladder trucks have two steerin' wheels."

Leave it to some a-hole on the left coast to go and throw a pump on one and go and ruin everything. (and slowly start to infect the rest of the country....)

Sorry TC I just think that some ideas are too good to have to turn into oil with the rest of the dinosaurs. Stand-alone and fully staffed (4 guys each minimum, preferably 5 on the engine and 6 on the truck) engine and truck companies happens to be an idea that I embrace. Have seen to many fookups with people using queernts in fashions they shouldnt have been using them in. The results werent pretty, neither were the foundations left over.

Cheesesteaks are good but lately I have been getting roast pork sammiches.

[BULL321]

Give me directions to the public works garage or the school district bus yard please

The N.C.D.O.T. shed and the County Bus garage are located on hwy 116 in Webster, right across the street and up the road about a 1/10 of a mile from our substation. Hey. . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . DAMN IT.

[GTRider245]

That "Smartest Guy" has always said to me "Real ladder trucks have two steerin' wheels."

Leave it to some a-hole on the left coast to go and throw a pump on one and go and ruin everything. (and slowly start to infect the rest of the country....)

Sorry TC I just think that some ideas are too good to have to turn into oil with the rest of the dinosaurs. Stand-alone and fully staffed (4 guys each minimum, preferably 5 on the engine and 6 on the truck) engine and truck companies happens to be an idea that I embrace. Have seen to many fookups with people using queernts in fashions they shouldnt have been using them in. The results werent pretty, neither were the foundations left over.

Cheesesteaks are good but lately I have been getting roast pork sammiches.

99 percent of us don't work for large, urban departments. Your staffing model is completely unrealistic for most departments.

Those same departments have to spend thier money and assign what staff they do have wisely. Running apparatus that can't even put out fire on it's own is also unrealistic.

I would like to see these examples of houses burning simply because the crew was assigned to a quint instead of a traditional truck.

[FWDbuff]

99 percent of us don't work for large, urban departments. Your staffing model is completely unrealistic for most departments.

Those same departments have to spend thier money and assign what staff they do have wisely. Running apparatus that can't even put out fire on it's own is also unrealistic.

I would like to see these examples of houses burning simply because the crew was assigned to a quint instead of a traditional truck.

I personally (as a member assigned to a queernt) have been to several fires that resulted in total losses due to the fact that when we (dispatched as a Truck Co, Officer and 3, career dept augmenting an otherwise fully volunteer box assignment) were ordered to go in service as an engine company. Truck Company evolutions were then either not performed at all, or not aggressively enough. Got to the point where if we went out the door with the vollies Mon through Fri from 6am to 6pm and we pulled a line, I would tuck an axe into the belt of my SCBA and leave a 6ft hook in the hallway, cause that was it......you never knew how long or if the help was coming. Also cant tell you how many times I wish I had another 35' ladder, or another 28', or a 20' straight ladder.

If Queernts are so great, why is St. Louis going away from them? Or how about Richmond? Baltimore tried it....never again.....It's late right now, is it 0214 or 0314? Given a clear head I could probably think of a dozen other places.

IMO, I think guys should put their passion and efforts into proposing & maintaining better staffing capable of operating two companies instead of bending over and getting politically raped with the Q dildo or trying to convince the rest of the world about how fabulous queernts are- if you dont have at least 8 guys and two officers on board, sorry. Aint gonna work for me. This battle has been waged in here before, and has been fought to a draw before. Lets just not do it again.

[ATFDFF]

I personally (as a member assigned to a queernt) have been to several fires that resulted in total losses due to the fact that when we (dispatched as a Truck Co, Officer and 3, career dept augmenting an otherwise fully volunteer box assignment) were ordered to go in service as an engine company. Truck Company evolutions were then either not performed at all, or not aggressively enough.

EVERYTHING you describe there is a command issue...NOT an issue of your apparatus arriving with a pump or not. If yours did not have a pump, that same chief could just as easily have told you to grab a line off of another engine.

And wouldn't the fact the structure was leveled probably be due to the fact that water wasn't applied? A task that your "truck" company was assigned? I've never seen a structure be lost because a primary wasn't done.

Got to the point where if we went out the door with the vollies Mon through Fri from 6am to 6pm and we pulled a line, I would tuck an axe into the belt of my SCBA and leave a 6ft hook in the hallway, cause that was it......you never knew how long or if the help was coming. Also cant tell you how many times I wish I had another 35' ladder, or another 28', or a 20' straight ladder.

And how many fires did you NOT use every available ladder? I'd imagine that was moreso the case than when you needed more ladders. Why not grab one off another rig? Also, perhaps it was a problem with your department's specification...but there are plenty of quints out there with very sizable ground ladder compliments.

If Queernts are so great, why is St. Louis going away from them? Or how about Richmond? Baltimore tried it....never again.....It's late right now, is it 0214 or 0314? Given a clear head I could probably think of a dozen other places.

I don't know why, because I have better things to do than buff every fire department in the US. But, those ARE the big cities that are able to justify 4 or 5 guys per rig and also have many, many more rigs than the vast majority of fire departments in the US. It's unlikely that St. Louis or Richmond or Baltimore would ever "run out" of apparatus for their runs...a luxury that 99% of fire departments are not afforded.

IMO, I think guys should put their passion and efforts into proposing & maintaining better staffing capable of operating two companies instead of bending over and getting politically raped with the Q dildo or trying to convince the rest of the world about how fabulous queernts are- if you dont have at least 8 guys and two officers on board, sorry. Aint gonna work for me. This battle has been waged in here before, and has been fought to a draw before. Lets just not do it again.

First of all...ah yes the fabulous "let me spew my opinion THEN say let's not fight about it" mantra. Starting to take after Bobby, I see! Nice job

We all understand that you have a hard on for the city way of doing things...and that's fine. I'd imagine the vast majority of us would LOVE to run with 5 guys per rig...but that simply isn't an option for most departments. No matter how much effort we put into it...there's no way our tax payers would approve adding 69 positions to my department (more than quadrupling our current staffing). And that's turning 3 quints into 3 engines and 3 trucks...hell even if we just brought our staffing up to 5 on a quint that's adding 18 positions, nearly doubling our staffing.

And in my time on the department we *GASP* have only made ONE parking lot...and that was an accelerant started fire in a building that I wouldn't have entered if I had the whole FDNY at my disposal.

[GTRider245]

I personally (as a member assigned to a queernt) have been to several fires that resulted in total losses due to the fact that when we (dispatched as a Truck Co, Officer and 3, career dept augmenting an otherwise fully volunteer box assignment) were ordered to go in service as an engine company. Truck Company evolutions were then either not performed at all, or not aggressively enough. Got to the point where if we went out the door with the vollies Mon through Fri from 6am to 6pm and we pulled a line, I would tuck an axe into the belt of my SCBA and leave a 6ft hook in the hallway, cause that was it......you never knew how long or if the help was coming. Also cant tell you how many times I wish I had another 35' ladder, or another 28', or a 20' straight ladder.

So did I miss the part where the type of truck you were riding on had anything to do with the outcome of the incident? You arrived and were given an assignment, point blank. The IC's decision determined the situation you describe, not the fact that you were riding a quint.

The ladder argument is a weak one. I have never been to a fire where all three 24 footers, a 35 footer an 18 footer, three 16 footers and a 14 footer were all thrown. This is what we arrive with on 2 engine companies and a quint. Could a situation arrise where we needed more one day? Sure. Is it likely? No way.

If Queernts are so great, why is St. Louis going away from them? Or how about Richmond? Baltimore tried it....never again.....It's late right now, is it 0214 or 0314? Given a clear head I could probably think of a dozen other places.

All major, urban departments. My original point stands. Not to mention that what any of those departments choose to do has little to no affect on how mine operates.

IMO, I think guys should put their passion and efforts into proposing & maintaining better staffing capable of operating two companies instead of bending over and getting politically raped with the Q dildo or trying to convince the rest of the world about how fabulous queernts are- if you dont have at least 8 guys and two officers on board, sorry. Aint gonna work for me. This battle has been waged in here before, and has been fought to a draw before. Lets just not do it again.

I'm now convinced you are truely delusional.

[GTRider245]

EVERYTHING you describe there is a command issue...NOT an issue of your apparatus arriving with a pump or not. If yours did not have a pump, that same chief could just as easily have told you to grab a line off of another engine.

And wouldn't the fact the structure was leveled probably be due to the fact that water wasn't applied? A task that your "truck" company was assigned? I've never seen a structure be lost because a primary wasn't done.



And how many fires did you NOT use every available ladder? I'd imagine that was moreso the case than when you needed more ladders. Why not grab one off another rig? Also, perhaps it was a problem with your department's specification...but there are plenty of quints out there with very sizable ground ladder compliments.



I don't know why, because I have better things to do than buff every fire department in the US. But, those ARE the big cities that are able to justify 4 or 5 guys per rig and also have many, many more rigs than the vast majority of fire departments in the US. It's unlikely that St. Louis or Richmond or Baltimore would ever "run out" of apparatus for their runs...a luxury that 99% of fire departments are not afforded.



First of all...ah yes the fabulous "let me spew my opinion THEN say let's not fight about it" mantra. Starting to take after Bobby, I see! Nice job

We all understand that you have a hard on for the city way of doing things...and that's fine. I'd imagine the vast majority of us would LOVE to run with 5 guys per rig...but that simply isn't an option for most departments. No matter how much effort we put into it...there's no way our tax payers would approve adding 69 positions to my department (more than quadrupling our current staffing). And that's turning 3 quints into 3 engines and 3 trucks...hell even if we just brought our staffing up to 5 on a quint that's adding 18 positions, nearly doubling our staffing.

And in my time on the department we *GASP* have only made ONE parking lot...and that was an accelerant started fire in a building that I wouldn't have entered if I had the whole FDNY at my disposal.

Well said, and I agree on all points.