Good looking Truck..... Nice compartment spacing and lots of compartments, good decision.
As far as the other discussion regarding "true Truck" or "Quints" my .02 is which gives you the most bang for your buck? Which serves your Community and Response Area(s) the best? That's the right one for your FD.....
As far as operating in either role; we have evidence that a well trained, aggressive, fundamentally sound and "well oiled" Crew can operate safely and efficiently in both roles. It's like Chief Mittendorf says, "the C.O. of the Quint must focus their training on operating as both a Truck and Engine Company." As one of the C.Os on our Truck (Quint) I focus primarily on Truck Operations but also as an Engine Company that way when the Medic Engines are delayed we can start Fire Attack or whatever is needed. Our last F/S we operated primarily as an Engine Company and then switched back to our Truck Company once the fire was under control. It was pretty cool when I was completing the report to say that most of the on scene operations were conducted by my Truck Company. LOL.
So again I say "Good looking Truck..... Nice compartment spacing and lots of compartments, good decision."
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11-06-2011, 04:03 PM #41
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- Southern California
Truck"Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"
Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....
Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....
11-06-2011, 05:55 PM #42
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- Nov 2009
- Somewhere in the southeast.
At 1 house Dalton ran a 100' tower with a pump and tank, a big @$$ quint. That truck was run as a truck company strictly, but it was nice having pump capability when everything went to hell in a hand basket and we went defensive. No having to designate and engine company to pump the pipe, the truck could handle that job its self. Same with my 75' straight stick, no need for a designated engine company to pump the pipe, ladder 3 could handle the job its self. For the most part, ladder 3 was run strictly as a truck company, but if we knew that the first in engine was going to be delayed, it was nice to know we had a way to get the wet stuff on the red stuff until the engine company could get there.
Not every city in the U.S. can afford to staff a station with a full engine and ladder company where a ladder truck is needed. Sure, Dalton would love to run an engine and ladder company out of 3 house and 2 house. But for now,especially until the economy gets better they'll have to settle fo a ladder at 3 house and an engine at 2 house. 3 house could use an engine to go with the stick because of all of the 3 and 4 story residential and commercial structures, and 2 house could use a 100' platform to go with the engine there because it is a highly industrialized district. But try explaining that to city councilmen and expect them to get it.
So, until then, the quint, which has a squeaky clean resord, at 3 house will continue to fill both roles as needed until the Dalton Fire Department can get a little room to maneuver with the city council about adding extra companies.
11-07-2011, 12:51 AM #43
If Queernts are so great, why is St. Louis going away from them? Or how about Richmond?
This battle has been waged in here before, and has been fought to a draw before. Lets just not do it again.
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11-07-2011, 10:55 AM #44
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11-07-2011, 11:59 AM #47
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You know, with the exception of very few (like Rescue101 and CaptOldTimer), I have been a member of the forums a very long time although I have very few posts. The reason I have few posts is because I hate getting involved in a discussion that starts off decent and then spins wildly out of control.
FireMech1 presents us with his new aerial for discussion and this thread gets out of control regarding how a truck company should be operated. Come on guys.....enough! Lets get back to the intent of this thread!
11-07-2011, 01:29 PM #48
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11-07-2011, 10:20 PM #50
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11-07-2011, 10:22 PM #51
11-07-2011, 10:37 PM #52
Where this truck is going is 95% single story residential's, 5% strip malls, single story. Setback is very minimal, usually less than 30-40'. This will be our 4th straight stick 75 footer (we also have a SP70 Platform). The station now has an HP100, which is overkill for the territory, as well, the streets really beat the rig up. So a 75 footer is more than adequate for the area. There are also 2 HP100's within a 5-8 minute response time.
In other news. The mere mention of a "Q" here is blasphemy. In fact, one had the pump pulled, and the other after annexation was sold within months. Reason are a few, but here is the gist of it. For EMS runs we run either a truck or engine for manpower. Put in a "Q", and you are left with nothing to cover the area. As well, it will replace one or the other. That then translates into layoffs and lost manpower. In a nut shell, not here.
FM1I'm the one Fire and Rescue calls, when they need to be Rescued.
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11-07-2011, 10:38 PM #53
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11-08-2011, 01:05 PM #55
At least you can admit your thinking is Flawed,hehe T.C.
11-08-2011, 01:37 PM #56
On the original subject.. new truck looks nice! Enjoy.So you call this your free country
Tell me why it costs so much to live
11-08-2011, 01:55 PM #57
TC your machine is exceptionally spec'd and built, but it is above and beyond the norm. It's what all queernts should be. Your guys know how to man and use it, bravo zulu to you. Cheese steaks for everyone. Bring me some lobster bisque."Loyalty Above all Else. Except Honor."
11-09-2011, 01:11 AM #58
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The quint showing up with four guys trying to do both truck and engine task is not a quint problem. IT IS A STAFFING PROBLEM!!! I pose this question. If instead of 1 engine and 1 truck pulling up with 8 men. You have 2 quints pulling up with 8 men. Whats the difference?
I will say that having quints does create some challenges that must be overcome through policy and procedures.
A couple of things that I feel are a must when using quints. Pre-arrival assignments are a must on the department level. ex. 1st arriving does ABC, 2nd arriving does 123. On the company level riding assignments to mirror each job function is required.
For example we either arrive 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th on a box alarm.
We use Driver, Officer, Nozzle, Hydrant as name for each person.
1st-Fire Attack- Driver, Officer, nozzle, hydrant
2nd- Truck- Outside team (driver & hydrant), Inside team (officer, nozzle)
3rd- back-up line- Driver(2nd water supply), Officer, nozzle, Back-up (hydrant)
4th- RIT- Accountablity Officer (Driver), RIT team (Officer, nozzle, back-up)
Clear and calm communication between on all levels is imparitive. On the Command level assignments need to be made. Ex. Command to Quint 13 you are RIT or one of the four listed above. Clearly the 1st arriving unit knows what they are doing. Next the officer needs to communicate to his crew. "hey guys we are going to be 3rd in on this one."
Lastly discipline on the officer and firefighters goes a very long way. the crew must be disciplined enough to perform their assignment. They must be disciplined well enough to be able to switch gears at the drop of a hat. For example. if we are dispatched as the 3rd due and upon entering the fire block see that we are the 2nd arriving unit. The crew needs to be "honed" to the point that the officer says we are 2nd. The crew needs to quickly switch from the mindset of engine work to truck work.
As far as the apparatus itself. There are some limitations because of the fact it is a quint. For example on the engine side streatching duel 2 1/2 to an FDC.
IMO a good crew will perform well regardless of the type of truck that they show up on. quint/engine/ladder/golf cart/whatever. On the flip side a bad crew will always perform poorly.
I have yet to see a (yellow/green/red/blue) (quint/engine/truck/rescue/mini-pumper) put out a fire. It is always the men that arrive on the truck that make the difference.
Now that doesn't mean that i dont enjoy all the quint jokes. I stole the bi-truck joke and use it on a daily bases!!!
11-09-2011, 09:35 AM #59
12-11-2011, 12:02 PM #60
Saw your new truck Friday.......beautifull rig.
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