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    I am in a debate right now as to what level of training makes up a "technican level trained" technical rescue team.
    The arguement by some is that if we have a few tech trainied people (structural collapse techs per NFPA) then the whole team is at the tech level with everyone else at operations.
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    1) is this true? and if so please provide a reference
    2) what is the minimum manning levels of tech trained folks to accomplish the mission for example a heavy concrete structure (again please provide references)


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    Short Version:

    1) Yes; NFPA 1670 6.4
    2)Not defined by NFPA

    Longer Version:

    Section 1.1.2 states that 1670 applies to organizations.

    Section 1.1.3 states that " It is not the intent of this document to be applied to individual and their associated skills/capabilities."

    So pretty clearly it is about what the team can accomplish as a group.

    NFPA 1670 Section 6.4 defines what a team operating at the technician level should have.Specifically, it states that you have to be able to operate, as a team, to the technician level in rope, c-space, vehicle, trench, and machinery rescue to beable to operate as a technician level team in structural collapse.

    That to me does not mean that the entire team has to be level II in each of these discipline; just that as a collective group you can meet the performance objectives. Some guys can do the rope, some the C-space, and some can play with bricks.

    NFPA 1006 Chapter 9 states only that the person shall operate as a member of a team to move a heavy object. It does not state a minimum number of personnel.

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    Thanks Brother

    Quote Originally Posted by DCFDRescue2 View Post
    Short Version:

    1) Yes; NFPA 1670 6.4
    2)Not defined by NFPA

    Longer Version:

    Section 1.1.2 states that 1670 applies to organizations.

    Section 1.1.3 states that " It is not the intent of this document to be applied to individual and their associated skills/capabilities."

    So pretty clearly it is about what the team can accomplish as a group.

    NFPA 1670 Section 6.4 defines what a team operating at the technician level should have.Specifically, it states that you have to be able to operate, as a team, to the technician level in rope, c-space, vehicle, trench, and machinery rescue to beable to operate as a technician level team in structural collapse.

    That to me does not mean that the entire team has to be level II in each of these discipline; just that as a collective group you can meet the performance objectives. Some guys can do the rope, some the C-space, and some can play with bricks.

    NFPA 1006 Chapter 9 states only that the person shall operate as a member of a team to move a heavy object. It does not state a minimum number of personnel.

    You can look at NFPA documents for free online at the NFPA website.
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    The heart of the debate is the AHJ must determine the level, based upon risk and their willingness to accept limitations, at to which their rescue team should provide a stated service. Not all member of the team need to be trained to the highest level to have the team respond at a Tech level, more below.

    What level you should respond at;

    Specifially NFPA 1670 standard chapter 4.1 states AHJ shall establish levels of operational capibility needed... based on hazard ID, risk assesment, training level and avalibility...

    Ch 4.2; the AHJ conducts hazard ID and determines the feasibility of conducting technical operations, and ID the type and avalibility of internal and external resources (read AHJ's and mutual/auto aid).

    Indiviual training;

    Each chapter in 1670 discribes the number of people needed, trained to what level and what pre-requisites to qualify the team as an Awareness, Ops or Tech level response.

    Examples; Rope Tech team is easy, the team needs to have people trained to a Level II (old 1006 Rope Tech). While a Swiftwater Tech team needs to be trained to SW II, and Rope II. Not all members of the SW team need the training, just enough to conduct Rope Tech skills.

    Do a good read of 1670, cross walk it with 1006. I made these two charts to help explain it for our department. First deals with Staffing; assuming that the members involved are all trained to level II in Rope, SW, CS and Trench. Second shows the individual training hiarchy, documenting what chapter JPR's need to be completed to become certain levels of training.

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    Finnally, check out the document "The Importance of Establishing a Well-Defined Career Progression for Technical Rescue Team Members in Accordance with NFPA 1670" by James McCullar given at the 2010 Interanational Technical Rescue Symposium. You should be able to google it using:
    James McCullar Establishing a Well-Defined Career Progression
    ~Drew
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    USAR TF Rescue Specialist

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    That's pretty good. James McCullar (the ITRS document) was my roomate for years. He has a pretty good description and interpretation of 1670 and 1006

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