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    TONS of posts of remembrance regarding the W6 on my Facebook news feed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Not knowing you directly, but through a relative, you will never have to qualify anything you post here. Your reputation is solid.

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    I usually don't post in threads about LODD's, don't see the point. To me it usually seems like a cheap and showy type of "remembrance".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    I usually don't post in threads about LODD's, don't see the point. To me it usually seems like a cheap and showy type of "remembrance".
    I feel the same. And to be be honest, I don't know the dates of the 17 lodd's from just my house, much less all of them from my department.
    Just a typical moronic, childish, idiotic munchkin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrmnk View Post
    ...but also to ensure I learn lessons from them that will help me keep my crew as safe as possible as I lead them into whatever we are faced with.
    THAT is how we should honor and remember our fallen brothers and sisters. Learning and applying the "lessons learned" that they paid with their very lives is how we offer our respect to them AND ensure their sacrifice was not made in vain and forgotten.
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    While I did see your apology and respect where you are coming from, I still find it interesting that with over 12k posts on here you have only managed to post in the Safety and Survival section of the forums only 4 times.

    This is not a slam against you, as there are not many people who post there. It would be nice to see it more frequently posted in. Brotherhood to me is not making a one sentence remembrance on a forum, it's finding out ways to make sure other LODD's don't occur while still maintaining aggressive tactics and knowing ways to unf*ck a bad situation somebody has gotten themselves into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCFDRescue2 View Post
    While I did see your apology and respect where you are coming from, I still find it interesting that with over 12k posts on here you have only managed to post in the Safety and Survival section of the forums only 4 times.

    This is not a slam against you, as there are not many people who post there. It would be nice to see it more frequently posted in. Brotherhood to me is not making a one sentence remembrance on a forum, it's finding out ways to make sure other LODD's don't occur while still maintaining aggressive tactics and knowing ways to unf*ck a bad situation somebody has gotten themselves into.
    Wait, really... we are going to in some way disparage those who don't post in a forum YOU think is worthwhile?

    That is asinine. Especially, considering the forum drift on here.
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    Actually my excuse for not posting is simply that I haven't been on here in almost a week.

    I agree with Gonz that people should remember and apply the lessons learned every time they go out the door. Remember the past so you don't repeat history. I personally have a W6 sticker on the bottom of my helmet so I see it every time I put it on. I remembered and wondered where they would be today and what they would be doing. I also wondered how I would react as a chief officer if I had to stand in the doorway and deny my guys from going in to get my other guys. Not a choice I would want to make and not a scenario I want to be in.

    That is why I do research on this type of thing and remember the fallen to make sure it doesn't happen again. I guess the crust is thick on all of us...No worries Chief!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Wait, really... we are going to in some way disparage those who don't post in a forum YOU think is worthwhile?

    That is asinine. Especially, considering the forum drift on here.
    The way I took what he wrote...

    We have all agreed that learning from these incidents and doing what we can to make sure they don't happen again are the best ways to honor the memories of our fallen brothers. Obviously most of the talk about the ways to go about this would probably be located in the Safety and Survival forums.

    Or maybe I am reading it the wrong way. Either way, he is right (not in specific about Gonz). We have people here who rant and rave about everything under the sun yet never make it to the safety and survival or strategy and tactics part of the site. Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Obviously most of the talk about the ways to go about this would probably be located in the Safety and Survival forums.
    I think most of the conversation about ways to prevent firefighter LODD is right here in "firefighters forum".

    Don't be fooled by the forum titles. No one seems to really pay much attention to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Yesterday was the 12th anniversary of the Worcester Cold Storage Warehouse fire...

    and a total of myself and9 people actually posted on the two threads on this forum about the W6.

    To Captain Old Timer, firefightin'Irish, ChiefKN ,pasobuff, Len1952, Weruj, Rescue101, Trkco 1 and Leeland... Thank you for remembering out fallen brothers...
    Calm the **** down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Thanks for caring enough to get ****ed off.
    X2, Chief.
    I have been busy with the new job, but I paused yesterday to review my LUNAR, to oil up the side cutters in my coat and the wire cutters in my pants, and to make sure I have the info in my head to let someone know I am in need of help, and the tools I need to get myself out.

    That is the best way we can honor ALL of our fallen Brothers, every day.
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    Apparently, this was directed at me...

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    Calm the **** down.
    If that is all you can contribute to the conversation, please keep it to yourself.
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    Yes it was, this is a public forum for people to participate in the way they see fit.

    Here, let me mark my calendar for the next LODD anniversary so I can remember to log on and post a rememberence to satisfy some random guy that acts like he has authority over a forum. I think your taking the "if you don't document it, it didn't happen" mentality a little too far, because people aren't posting a rememberence of sorts on this forum, doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it in their own way.


    To repeat my original comment, calm down and remember those lost in your own way without expressing disgust to others for not living up to your personal expectations.

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    I don't get on here as much as I use to. With that being said I only got on here tonight to write in regards to the unfortunate incident that happened there today... I am very wrapped up in the Cold Storage fire and have attended many classes in regards to it.

    I was teaching class on Sat and Sunday and had the students both days stand for a moment of silence for the W6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    X2, Chief.
    I have been busy with the new job, but I paused yesterday to review my LUNAR, to oil up the side cutters in my coat and the wire cutters in my pants, and to make sure I have the info in my head to let someone know I am in need of help, and the tools I need to get myself out.

    That is the best way we can honor ALL of our fallen Brothers, every day.
    I like what you're saying. Take Care!

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    Quote Originally Posted by t1tan19 View Post
    To repeat my original comment, calm down and remember those lost in your own way without expressing disgust to others for not living up to your personal expectations.
    Did you bother to read the thread before making an ***** of yourself?

    Are you still trying to get on the job? That might explain why nobody has straightened you out yet...

    Come back when you've earned some credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t1tan19 View Post
    Yes it was, this is a public forum for people to participate in the way they see fit.

    Here, let me mark my calendar for the next LODD anniversary so I can remember to log on and post a rememberence to satisfy some random guy that acts like he has authority over a forum. I think your taking the "if you don't document it, it didn't happen" mentality a little too far, because people aren't posting a rememberence of sorts on this forum, doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it in their own way.


    To repeat my original comment, calm down and remember those lost in your own way without expressing disgust to others for not living up to your personal expectations.
    In your words junior, CALM THE **** DOWN!

    Holy ****, have you ever heard of reading a thread before responding? Had you read on you would have seen more than just DCGonzo's disappointment. You would have seen his maturity in being able to apologize, though I really don't think it was needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t1tan19 View Post
    Yes it was, this is a public forum for people to participate in the way they see fit.

    Here, let me mark my calendar for the next LODD anniversary so I can remember to log on and post a rememberence to satisfy some random guy that acts like he has authority over a forum. I think your taking the "if you don't document it, it didn't happen" mentality a little too far, because people aren't posting a rememberence of sorts on this forum, doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it in their own way.


    To repeat my original comment, calm down and remember those lost in your own way without expressing disgust to others for not living up to your personal expectations.

    I have a lot of friends and aquaintences on the Worcester Fire Department and knew two of the W6 through the Fire Academy, so I did take it a little personal at first.

    If you read the entire thread... you will see that I admitted I was wrong.

    Go ahead and mark your calendar.. as long as it makes you remember the sacrifices of all of our fallen brothers and sisters... I know I won't forget.
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    As a non-FF'r, I'd simply suggest that lack of response may be more due to geography than apathy...the closer you are to Worcester, the more it impacted you and given that I'm now on Cape Cod and get the Boston TV stations, I'm more likely to be aware of any reports about that area than someone in FL or TX or such.

    That geography aspect affects me related to the shuttle Challenger explosion as i saw the wild contrails in sky from Tampa that fateful day so it had more impact....just a comment from an outsider who's interested in helping our local FD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    The way I took what he wrote...

    We have all agreed that learning from these incidents and doing what we can to make sure they don't happen again are the best ways to honor the memories of our fallen brothers. Obviously most of the talk about the ways to go about this would probably be located in the Safety and Survival forums.

    Or maybe I am reading it the wrong way. Either way, he is right (not in specific about Gonz). We have people here who rant and rave about everything under the sun yet never make it to the safety and survival or strategy and tactics part of the site. Sad.

    No, you read it the way I intended. Yo just did a better job than I did of elaborating on it. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by t1tan19 View Post
    Yes it was, this is a public forum for people to participate in the way they see fit.

    Here, let me mark my calendar for the next LODD anniversary so I can remember to log on and post a rememberence to satisfy some random guy that acts like he has authority over a forum. I think your taking the "if you don't document it, it didn't happen" mentality a little too far, because people aren't posting a rememberence of sorts on this forum, doesn't mean they aren't thinking about it in their own way.


    To repeat my original comment, calm down and remember those lost in your own way without expressing disgust to others for not living up to your personal expectations.
    I would love for you to come into my career house, or even one of my POC FD houses, and talk like this to a senior man face to face. You are quite the big man here anonymously telling a resepcted member of the fire service, with more years in the fire service than you have been alive, how to act.

    If in fact you are attempting to get on the job might I suggest this simple thought to you? You have 2 ears and one mouth, obviously you are meant to listen more than speak. That holds true especially as a probie in the fire house. It is very hard, if not impossible to change the reputation you make in the first few months on the job. I fear this will be a HUGE issue for you.

    The point is you could have disagreed with Gonzo, like I did, and do it respectfully. Instead you come across like another wiseass looking to make his mark as an internet forum super hero. You impress none and lose any hope of credibility.

    take your own advice, calm down, the fire service still is steeped in tradition and earning your way in is one of them.
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