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    Default Well not much of a choice in the matter

    This past Monday we had an emergency Board of Directors meeting to discuss the future of the new station the county wanted us to move to. Basically we are of the opinion that we do not have much of a choice. We don't have enough personnel to staff the station and apparatus and if we do not move the county will leave us high and dry. So without much opposition we will be moving sometime in the near future to a "modern" station where we won't have a hall to raise funds. I'm not sure what the future holds for us and this is not a "moan and groan" thread but if you don't have enough volunteers then the local government and the paid union will have their way over a volunteer department.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leeland View Post
    This past Monday we had an emergency Board of Directors meeting to discuss the future of the new station the county wanted us to move to. Basically we are of the opinion that we do not have much of a choice. We don't have enough personnel to staff the station and apparatus and if we do not move the county will leave us high and dry. So without much opposition we will be moving sometime in the near future to a "modern" station where we won't have a hall to raise funds. I'm not sure what the future holds for us and this is not a "moan and groan" thread but if you don't have enough volunteers then the local government and the paid union will have their way over a volunteer department.
    Doesn't sound good brother.

    Unfortunately when a volunteer department such as your's seems targeted by the union for replacement with full-time staff there is often very little you can do.

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    It's never easy to admit it's time to throw in the towel - we see it here as well. In thepast few years one department closed up entirely, an another merged into its neighbor. Similar stuff is going on in EMS.

    I question the fund-raising thing. When we formed our new, larger fire district about 10 years ago, one stated goal was to lessen the need for fund-raising, allowing more time for training, etc, and lessening the burnout factor from having too many events.

    Since the county is removing fuel and building upkeep from your funding needs, the question remains whether you need to raise money at all, and for what. It might still be possible to hold some fundraisers, perhaps using other venues. Otherwise, enjoy the lessening of your load.

    If the union is able to convince the powers that be to staff your new station full-time, then your days may indeed be done. Be proud of what you've accomplished, and make sure you go out with a lot of fanfare - positive fanfare, not pity-inducing fare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    It's never easy to admit it's time to throw in the towel - we see it here as well. In thepast few years one department closed up entirely, an another merged into its neighbor. Similar stuff is going on in EMS.

    I question the fund-raising thing. When we formed our new, larger fire district about 10 years ago, one stated goal was to lessen the need for fund-raising, allowing more time for training, etc, and lessening the burnout factor from having too many events.

    Since the county is removing fuel and building upkeep from your funding needs, the question remains whether you need to raise money at all, and for what. It might still be possible to hold some fundraisers, perhaps using other venues. Otherwise, enjoy the lessening of your load.

    If the union is able to convince the powers that be to staff your new station full-time, then your days may indeed be done. Be proud of what you've accomplished, and make sure you go out with a lot of fanfare - positive fanfare, not pity-inducing fare.
    Another option is to transition into a paid dept. with partimers. Consider all your options, establish a good relationship with the union now. Many suburban depts in Ohio do this, kind of a best of both worlds thing. And as above, be proud of your accomplishments.

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    Is there any way that you can use the ISO rating, as far as fire station placement, to remain in your current hall?

    If you can show that retaining your current hall, will keep a better ISO rating, maybe that can help justify keeping it.

    Also, if your current hall provides EMS service, you maybe able to justify its location for closer and faster EMS service?

    Just a few thoughts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIRE117 View Post
    Is there any way that you can use the ISO rating, as far as fire station placement, to remain in your current hall?

    If you can show that retaining your current hall, will keep a better ISO rating, maybe that can help justify keeping it.

    Also, if your current hall provides EMS service, you maybe able to justify its location for closer and faster EMS service?

    Just a few thoughts...
    The county could care less about the ISO rating. In their opinion it's all about location and they decide what is going to happen, when it is going to happen and if the volunteers refuse to go along then the county will leave the volunteer station high and dry financially.

    As for EMS service it is currently handled by the county since the ambulance that was assigned to our station was relocated to another station. Of course it was a county ambulance but staffed by the volunteers.

    So basically we are caught between a rock and a hard place. Either we accept the county's offer or face the possibility of going under since we do not have the numbers or finances to maintain the station or apparatus 24/7, 365.

    Thanks for you suggestions.

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    You might want to consider selling the old hall, and taking the proceeds into a low risk investment. Use the annual proceeds for operating monies.

    Or just use it as a banquet hall, and use those proceeds.

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