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I'm really not interested in rationalizations. The justification that moonshining has a "rich" heritage is worthless. It still glamorizes illegal behavior. As the article points out, would people be so accepting if it were marijuana fields in CA? How about poppy fields in Afghanistan? Cocaine fields in Colombia? There's a rich heritage for all those activities as well in those locales.Quote:
Originally Posted by voyager9
How is it rationalization? He's not doing anything illegal. I think you missed the last quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by scfire86
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“Nobody in the whole series was actually making any liquor, we wouldn’t allow that. If we knew somebody was making liquor they would have been in the next episode in handcuffs,” said Jesse Tate.
And a late entry into the funniest statement of the year....Quote:
Originally Posted by scfire86
But there is a nexus being drawn between his activity in moonshining and also being a volly ff.Quote:
Originally Posted by voyager9
That is the point you all are trying to rationalize.
My former department didn't allow applicants to apply if they had felony convictions. And they were immediately fired if they had been convicted of a felony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones42
No, the fire department connection isn't a big part of the series (though in one recent episode the dept. was doing inventory and found that their bolt cutter was missing -- the Chief had borrowed it and had to rush it back to the station. That certainly doesn't set a good example.
Neither does my volunteer department. Nor any in the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by scfire86
and by the way....he has no felony convictions. :)
The show connects him to moonshining. Not a good representation for the fire service since as of now, moonshining is an illegal activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones42
Photo by yours truly. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer
It is a way of life for some folks, which has been doing that for centuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by scfire86
That is their only income, unless you want them to be dependent on the Government!
So what? Raising coca leaves for cocaine production is a way of life for indigenous persons in South America. Raising poppies for heroin production is a way of life in Afghanistan for heroin is a way of life as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer
Are those the only choices? There is no way for them to go to school and learn a respectable trade?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer
Please continue the rationalizations while this group of volunteers continues to make a mockery of the fire service.
he was in the army and was a mechanic, therefore he has a trade but chooses not to use it.
Meaning what exactly? Do you justify his involvement in moonshining because he chooses to not be a mechanic?Quote:
Originally Posted by 6Duron1
Either way, he is associating his firefighter involvement with his partaking in moonshining.
Not a good image for the fire service.
I don't think it justifies it, illegal is illegal for a reason. Mechanics make a large amount of money and I don't see why he isn't doing that for a living.
What group of volunteers is making a mockery of the fire service?Quote:
Originally Posted by scfire86
There is a fictional show on TV that advertises as "real life". The actors in the show have lives outside their "acting" gig. One of them also happens to be a volunteer firefighter in his community.
Oh wait...do you believe the show is true?
You do realize Backdraft (with the paid FF arsonist) was fake also...don't you? :)
never seen backdraft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones42
Any that might involved in moonshining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones42
Couldn't tell you since I've never seen it. I'll let you tell us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones42
I also realize that people have a different perspective on real life people being filmed being involved in an illegal activity (that claims to have insight into the activity) and a movie that completely based on a fictional story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones42
Do you know the difference. This question makes me wonder about your perspective.
If it was a show about serial arsonists (real or not), I'd have a problem with him representing himself as a real firefighter during a show that represents itself as real....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones42
Just caught the promo, haven't seen the actual show. However, it made it real clear that it was moonshiners breaking the law and the law trying to catch them.
It appears the volunteer in question is re-enacting his exploits from years ago. He was a moonshiner by admission 5 years ago.
http://starcasm.net/archives/136296
SC's point about he wouldnt be allowed to be an employee on his department holds true for our department as well. If he was doing felony level crime 5 years ago, is now re-enacting it on tv and is making a connection between that and our department there is no way he would continue to be a member.
SC's generalization about all volunteers is way off though. Because this guy does this, all volunteers are unprofessional? Do you make the same generalizations about race?
Watched 2 episodes last night while doing paperwork. He did stop by the firehouse during one to return bolt cutters he borrowed.
Apparently, according to what the show stated about stock car racing getting it's "roots" from Moonshiners....NASCAR is guiilty of promoting illegal activities as well. :cool:
Certainly explains your view then...Quote:
Couldn't tell you since I've never seen it.
Don't really care what NASCAR does or doesn't promote. It isn't tasked with providing public safety and trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones42