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    Today we took delivery of our new HME 78' Ladder Truck! She has a 500hp Cummins motor, with a 6 man cab. 600 gal. of water/40 gal foam cell and a 1500 Hale pump. Of course she was painted ALF Chrome Yellow! She is the very first ladder truck our dept has ever had and we feel very lucky and proud to put her into service today.
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    Here are some more pictures
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    Congratulations. Don't turn the wheels until your butt is out the door!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    Congratulations. Don't turn the wheels until your butt is out the door!
    Yes, Sir! BTW is that some hard learned advice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Yes, Sir! BTW is that some hard learned advice?
    Some of our houses used to have horse drawn apparatus running out of them, so the doors are narrow. When you have trucks with 8' plus past the rear axle, it is beaten in to you to wait until the rear duals drop into the gutter before you turn. That still hasn't stopped the shop from replacing lights, bumper boxes, and even rear body panels. Hasn't happened to me but I've been there to pick up the pieces! We are considering going back to tillers.
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    Nice looking rig.

    Snowball's advice can apply to shorter trucks, too, especially if a department has a mix of custom and conventional cab apparatus, or a new custom/cabover rig. The drivers get so used to turning at a certain point with the conventional cab that they forget they're sitting ahead of the front axle and need to delay their turn just that much...
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    Great looking truck!

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    Nice looking truck. Congrats!

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    Congrats, good luck to you guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    Some of our houses used to have horse drawn apparatus running out of them, so the doors are narrow. When you have trucks with 8' plus past the rear axle, it is beaten in to you to wait until the rear duals drop into the gutter before you turn. That still hasn't stopped the shop from replacing lights, bumper boxes, and even rear body panels. Hasn't happened to me but I've been there to pick up the pieces! We are considering going back to tillers.
    We used to have kinda the same problem here. There used to be horse shoe shape bumpers between each bay at around 2 1/2' out from the building. One of the guys cut it to sharp coming out one day and took out the side of the engine. Long story short, the bumpers all got cut down and moved all the way up against the building.
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    Hey Bull,

    What is your first impession of this rig? I know you had some hesitations about getting an HME.

    Just to satisfy my curiousity, what is the ladder compliment on board?
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    yes i am curious of the ladders and the saws you will carry.
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    Nice rig Bull. Hope it works out well for you guys.

    What.... no joystick....

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    HOw much did it cost?

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    I am NOT an HME fan, but that is a good looking truck. Only question I have is, knowing what we carry on our ladder, where are you going to put everything?
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    Who made the ladder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Who made the ladder?
    It looks like an RK ladder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Hey Bull,

    What is your first impession of this rig? I know you had some hesitations about getting an HME.

    Just to satisfy my curiousity, what is the ladder compliment on board?


    I was impressed with the fit and finish, so far. Its very quiet in the dog house, much more so that our older trucks, even with 500 horses under the cab. She drives/rides very smooth, great turning radius plenty of power and she stops on a dime, so to speak.

    Packing hose is going to be "fun" the preconnect above the pump panel could stand to be 3" higher. and the rear hose bed is very tight.

    We going to have to add "SYLVA" to the front of the rig under the windshield. And we are trying to talk the Chief into calling the truck "Ladder 1 or 3" instead of Ladder 358, and put the lettering on the passenger doors also.

    Ladder wise I believe that she got 1- 34' 3- 24' 2 - 16' & 1 - 14' roof ladders and one attic ladder. I'm working tonight at the Office, so I'll ride by and check.

    Saw wise it will have 2 chain saws and at least 1 k-12. maybe 2.
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    Nice rig Bull. Hope it works out well for you guys.

    What.... no joystick....

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    That cost extra, and we're on a tight Budget!
    Hell I don't even know if that was an option.




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    HOw much did it cost?
    As seen without any of our equipment on bord at or around $545,000



    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    I am NOT an HME fan, but that is a good looking truck. Only question I have is, knowing what we carry on our ladder, where are you going to put everything?
    That is a very GOOD question.

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    It looks like an RK ladder.

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    It is a RK ladder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    I was impressed with the fit and finish, so far. Its very quiet in the dog house, much more so that our older trucks, even with 500 horses under the cab. She drives/rides very smooth, great turning radius plenty of power and she stops on a dime, so to speak.


    We have had no complaints after 5 years with fit and finish. Ours however is VERY loud inside the cab and we were told that the issue was the type of fan on the motor. If we had gone with a different style of fan it would have been much quieter, and we would of had we known. Our HME is an engine with a 2000 gpm pump and 1000 gallons of water with a 370 Cummins and it has more than enough power. Just like yours the turning radius is amazing.


    Packing hose is going to be "fun" the preconnect above the pump panel could stand to be 3" higher. and the rear hose bed is very tight.

    One thing we did, and if my head would have been in the game better for you I would have suggested this to you too, we sent 2 inch hose with our salesman and said the bumper crosslays have to be able to carry 200 feet each with a nozzle, and the crosslays need to be able to carry 300 feet each with a nozzle. Because they had the hose they had no excuses if it didn't fit.

    We going to have to add "SYLVA" to the front of the rig under the windshield. And we are trying to talk the Chief into calling the truck "Ladder 1 or 3" instead of Ladder 358, and put the lettering on the passenger doors also.

    Geez Bull, how about a little NIMS compliance? It is a TRUCK! Man, you can buy them the vehicle but you just can't get them to name it right!

    Ladder wise I believe that she got 1- 34' 3- 24' 2 - 16' & 1 - 14' roof ladders and one attic ladder. I'm working tonight at the Office, so I'll ride by and check.

    My guess is a 35, either 2 28's, or a 28 and a 30, and a 24, the roof ladders it is hard to guess but usually on a truck they are 16's and 20's.

    Saw wise it will have 2 chain saws and at least 1 k-12. maybe 2.

    Good choices, the more the merrier if you have room for them.

    That cost extra, and we're on a tight Budget!

    Hell I don't even know if that was an option.

    Geezus, a joystick? Why not just have it so you can run it off an iPhone for crying out loud!




    As seen without any of our equipment on bord at or around $545,000

    Dude! That is less than my career FD paid for their last rescue ENGINE!




    That is a very GOOD question.

    The side stacker is a sweet option for loading hose but it sure steals a lot of compartment space. Trade offs, there are always trade offs.


    It is a RK ladder.

    They have used RK ladders for years.
    It is a beautiful rig and I would love to have it in either of my POC FDs. Having looked at the pictures I would only make one change and that would be to go wth the bumper crosslays like we have on our HME.

    Your committee did a really nice job and I think you should be proud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    It is a beautiful rig and I would love to have it in either of my POC FDs. Having looked at the pictures I would only make one change and that would be to go wth the bumper crosslays like we have on our HME.

    Your committee did a really nice job and I think you should be proud.
    We put a trash line crosslay on the which hold 150' of 1 3/4" but it like the other cross lay for the other two 1 3/4" (200') and 3" (150' w/blitz fire) is very tight with the nozzels.

    I went by the fire house tonight while I had some down time in between calls and took a look at the ladders, she's carring 1- 35', 1 - 28', 2 - 24' ladders along with 2 -16', 1 -14' roof ladders and a 10' attic ladder.

    NIMS compliant, what is that? No the County rescue squad runs "Trucks" and we don't want to be confused with them! (just kidding) Plus this the south everybody knows that she's a truck. No need to muddy the water.

    Its funny you mention a joy stick or running the ladder with an iphone, I forgot that we order the truck with a remote control for same. Its bigger than a iphone, but it is still pretty damn cool!

    Thank for the compliments, I know the truck committe was somewhat nervous going with HME but for the price we could not turn it down. Only time will tell on how good the truck will be but it's looking good so far.
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    FIREMECH1 these frist two pictures are for you, they are of the pump, I thought that you might enjoy them.

    The last two are of the new girl sitting next old faithful, our 93' Sutphen. (Boy, they good sitting next to each other, even in the rain/fog!) She's kinda taking hard that she not going to be first all of the time now, but I told her that it would be ok and that she was still very important to us and that we still love her.
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    Maybe it is because I am used to the nice, wide, aluminum E-One ladders, but just by loooking at the tip, that ladder looks like someone made it in their backyard. If you removed the waterway I would have never guessed it was a fire service ladder. Speaking of, is the waterway pinable? Also, what is the purpose of the large box that seems to be surrounding it?

    On the price point, who else did you guys get quotes from? I am sure Sutphen was no where close, just wondering who (if anyone) was competitve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    The side stacker is a sweet option for loading hose but it sure steals a lot of compartment space. Trade offs, there are always trade offs.
    Actually, you don't lose any compartment space due to the side hose bed since you have full depth compartments on the other side because of no chute.

    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Maybe it is because I am used to the nice, wide, aluminum E-One ladders, but just by loooking at the tip, that ladder looks like someone made it in their backyard. If you removed the waterway I would have never guessed it was a fire service ladder. Speaking of, is the waterway pinable? Also, what is the purpose of the large box that seems to be surrounding it?

    On the price point, who else did you guys get quotes from? I am sure Sutphen was no where close, just wondering who (if anyone) was competitve.
    That is the same ladder on our quints. I have found that the RK ladders are a little more on the 'flexible' side. The tip is a bolt-on replacable piece in case of damage.

    The waterway should be pinnable. The box around the waterway you noted is the pinnable mount that slides on the fly rails.

    BTW, nice looking rig Bull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronsMan53 View Post
    Actually, you don't lose any compartment space due to the side hose bed since you have full depth compartments on the other side because of no chute.

    How do you figure that? The quint I ride on at work is a 75 foot Seagrave with the hose bed under the aerial. We have full depth compartments on one side and normal depth compartments on the other. So do tell how having the side stacker doesn't take compatment space. Because even as cool and convenient as it is it takes the entire side of compartments with hosebed.
    Putting full depth on one side doesn't replace the compartments on the other side.
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