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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB35 View Post
    I just received our email notification that both our grants were denied. I dunno what we're going to do about this narrow banding that goes into affect next year. We can't afford the 800 mhz radios. I guess we'll be contacting our Congressional delegation.
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    Just in my experience, many departments do not know that narrrow banding is going to be required, but the important part of this is miscommunication either by salesman or misinformation that you must convert to new radios. Glad to hear that you was not twisted by eager sales person.

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    Individual radio apps went the way of many PPE and SCBA apps, pushed out by the volume of regionals. Commo is a lower priority as an individual Ops grant, so regardless of the change the fact that it was an Ops instead of a regional put it lower than a lot of others in scoring regardless of the other numbers in the app or the FCC deadline. That's the #1 thing that screams interoperability so it's an inherently regional project, with the sole exception of everyone else buying or getting grants for them in years past and leaving someone on an island. We had a few go through as Ops apps, but not many. Regional is the best way to go for scoring and for increasing the number of apps one can participate in. We had one involved in 3 regionals plus 2 invidividual apps. 1 individual and 2 of the regionals funded so far. Group efforts are always best since we are supposed to be playing well with others in our particular industry.
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    I received our DJ on Tuesday 5th year in row rejected for a new pumper. We're thinking of applying for a mini pumper/rescue instead. Any suggestions on whether or not I need to make changes of our narrative for a mini pumper versus a commercial chassis pumper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvfd1900 View Post
    I received our DJ on Tuesday 5th year in row rejected for a new pumper. We're thinking of applying for a mini pumper/rescue instead. Any suggestions on whether or not I need to make changes of our narrative for a mini pumper versus a commercial chassis pumper?
    Would be hard to call that without a lot of other information. I'll be glad to talk to you if you want to give me a shout at 863-551-9598.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780 View Post
    Would be hard to call that without a lot of other information. I'll be glad to talk to you if you want to give me a shout at 863-551-9598.
    Kurt,

    I will give you a call sometime this week with our info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvfd1900 View Post
    Kurt,

    I will give you a call sometime this week with our info!

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    Call before Friday as I will headed to Victor NY to teach a class this weekend there.
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    Just spoke with a source at AFG and I was told that 11,000 DJ's are going out in bathces of 300. Alot are out but still more to come. These are still from the computer round and not peer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capt2363 View Post
    Just spoke with a source at AFG and I was told that 11,000 DJ's are going out in bathces of 300. Alot are out but still more to come. These are still from the computer round and not peer.
    With 11000 already sent out, and 4000 remaining, I suspect he was giving out old news from a couple of weeks ago.

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    I would have to agree with you LVFD30;, capt2363 I think the information you received was correct but "dated". The original computer rejection notices that were put in the online maiboxes was dated for January 11 but did not actually get sent to the online mailboxes until January 16-17. Then on January 19th the notifcation letters going to the department POC were sent. There were I beleive 11,015 computer rejection notices sent at that time. I think it is pretty safe to say, at this point, that if you did not get one of those letters already before now, that your appliciation was sent to peer review. What the peer panel does with them is still the unknown at this point. Sure there will be more rejection notices that come out but, its a pretty safe bet that if you receive one any time after January 19, your application failed at peer panel, not at the hands of the computer.
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    Kurt,

    If that is the case and only 4000 grants remain in play, what are the odds of getting funded? I know there were stats on here but I cant find them. I have a vehicle grant for a pumper @$325,000. Any Ideas or insight to this? Thanks for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capt2363 View Post
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    If that is the case and only 4000 grants remain in play, what are the odds of getting funded? I know there were stats on here but I cant find them. I have a vehicle grant for a pumper @$325,000. Any Ideas or insight to this? Thanks for your help.

    I am at my desk call me at 863-551-9598 and I'll go over that with you again.
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    Has anyone who requested more info from AFG as to why they got a computer DJ received a reply yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB3939 View Post
    Has anyone who requested more info from AFG as to why they got a computer DJ received a reply yet?
    Yeah, there was a letter in my mailbox at the fire hall...it basically just was a longer winded version of the one they emailed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB35 View Post
    Our dispatch is contracted through another municipality that is larger and has the funds to switch and will be doing that in the next 90 days. Since they are going to 800 they are forcing us to go 800. Same problem is happening to our PD. We'd have no problem to narrow band our current radios but they won't do it. Our grant was 150k for preps, mobile, base. Our total yearly budget for FD is only 120K.

    Put up a bridge between the 800 Mhz talkgroup they give you, and your VHF system. Cost is minimal.

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    Just checking to see if anyone has received their Peer Review DJ notifications ? We requested SCBA upgrades and multiband communication handhelds that would allow us to communicate with the neighboring depts that are on 700/800mhz.

    Stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromedic802 View Post
    Just checking to see if anyone has received their Peer Review DJ notifications ? We requested SCBA upgrades and multiband communication handhelds that would allow us to communicate with the neighboring depts that are on 700/800mhz.

    Stay safe.
    Nothing yet. The silver lining is that we can at least get copies of the commentary this time around and see where we went wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Station 49 View Post
    Nothing yet. The silver lining is that we can at least get copies of the commentary this time around and see where we went wrong.
    Who sold you that bridge? They're not releasing Peer Review comments. The automated comp DJ letters are the lone feedback other than the usual Peer DJ letters that are also automagically written. Won't be any more info this year than any other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    Who sold you that bridge? They're not releasing Peer Review comments. The automated comp DJ letters are the lone feedback other than the usual Peer DJ letters that are also automagically written. Won't be any more info this year than any other.
    Was wondering that myself. I agree with bc79er here. I don't see anyway possible that they could give you individual peer commentary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    Who sold you that bridge? They're not releasing Peer Review comments. The automated comp DJ letters are the lone feedback other than the usual Peer DJ letters that are also automagically written. Won't be any more info this year than any other.
    I thought we could always get commentary on why the grant wasn't graded well in peer review.

    How in the hell are we supposed to know why our grants don't get approved then? What a crock.

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    Chief49 you can get a general commentary which usually cites areas that were weak but, your original post suggested that you were going to receive "individual commentary from the reviewers" and that would be impossible to do given the scope and magnitude of this program.Its worth asking for the letter but, be advised that the responses can be pretty generic in nature. I do offer a solution for that if you care to give me a call.
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    Nope, never could. Only thing that's ever sent out is a form letter with some sections of the PG copied and pasted into it based on the relative scores of each section. If it mentions something about Financial Assistance, then your score in that section was below the average of those awarded. Some insight, but that algorithm also sticks that statement in if the average was 23 and you got a 22.5. Doesn't distinguish between close and way bad.

    But those sections not mentioned means they were decent. Doesn't give any insight into what they liked and didn't like, but then again you have a bunch of humans up there. No idea what they were thinking as apps came across the table to them. I've got apps that weren't changed much other than mentioning current call stats and budgets from year to year and went early Peer one year to a first round award the next. Peer comments aren't very insightful either, most of the time there aren't any, just the scores.

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    Well from all indications, and multiple sources, it appears that the fat lady will sing late this afternoon for the remaining 3699 applications that made it to peer but did not manage to get an award this year. Chin up folks, you almost made it, try again! For those trying to figure out what you did wrong I have several classes still open for students prior to the June opening of the 2012 AFG.I can guarantee you that you will get far more insight into what you are doing wrong than waiting on that form letter they send from AFG.
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    I take it they didnt drop yesterday?
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    Well sitting here this morning with a big washcloth wiping the egg off my face. Can' t beleive that two of us, with seperate sources both had wrong information. I did notice yesterday at 3:00PM that there was a 20-30 minute period of time where you could not log onto the portal; maybe that had something to do with it. Suffice it to say that although we missed the time hack mark, they are coming and I would be very shocked if it did not happen before the end of this week.
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