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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Oh, and Cupcake? I never said you work for pierce. Never. Never said you work for a manufacturer. Don't twist my words.
    Pal, I don't know who pulled you tampon string. Okay, you didn't say I worked for Pierce, but you did lie and say I worked for Findley, one of their dealers. Just semantics. I don't know who your "source" is for that infomation is, but they are full of crap. If you don't like Pierce trucks, fine. You can like what ever brand you want. Present an arguement for whatever brand you like. I'm not here to sell anything to anybody, just presenting my experience. Yes, in MY experience, Pierce trucks are the best, your mileage may vary.
    And I don't have much tolerance for BS from somebody acting like an adolencent that just got his first pubic hair. Especially one that knows nothing about me. I'd like to think there are grown professionals here that would like to discuss fire service related topics. If you or any one else want to do that I'd be more than happy to oblige you. But if you're going to resort to lies and name calling, please save it for someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Hub Cap, I've been to Mack, American LaFrance, Seagrave, Maxim, Pirsch, KME, Oren, Pierce, Emergency One, Baker Equipment, Hale Products, Waterous, Red Head Brass, Elkhart Brass, Akron Brass, Snap-Tite, Marion to name a few, on business, with camera in hand.


    At no time was I told I could not take any photos of vehicles on the building line, or the ready for delivery line. I also had permission, not only take them but, to publish them, with proper credit given.


    I fail to see where your problems come in about posting photos.
    Like I said, it's my personal decision. To me, it would be like coming to your house and taking pics and then posting them on the web. You may not care, but I think it's inappropriate for me to do so. I try and respect others' privacy. It's why I would never take a photo of a victim. Besides, as has been said, there's other places to see similar photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctxffman View Post
    Maybe
    A. There are no pics.
    Well, from now on I'll just say I didn't take any.

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    Some of you guys just don't give Pierce and one of their spokesmen (although he is Not a dealer!) the proper respect! I'm happy to say that I have also toured Pierce's fine facilities in Appleton, drank lots of Kool-Aid, eat some fine steaks at George's, etc. Even took some pictures in the plant but don't know what I did with them. And best of all, we didn't even go with their bid. Oh well, maybe next time but I don't need another trip to Wisconsin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    If you don't like Pierce trucks, fine. You can like what ever brand you want. Present an arguement for whatever brand you like. I'm not here to sell anything to anybody, just presenting my experience. Yes, in MY experience, Pierce trucks are the best, your mileage may vary.
    And I don't have much tolerance for BS from somebody acting like an adolencent that just got his first pubic hair. Especially one that knows nothing about me.
    I call you cupcake, you call me Pal. I would say there cuppy we are about even there.

    Anyways, I don't recall saying ANYTHING negative about Pierce. Personally I think the best piece of equipment is one that is backed up well by a local dealer. Probably the reason I don't drive a Maserati MC Sport. Ok, one of many reasons I don't drive one.

    Without service after the sale every manufacturer is toast.

    Insofar as lies? I only have what I am told by a rep of that company. They sure seem to think you work there. Perhaps there is confusion on their part - so I will drop it. You want details PM me, and I will consider it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    I call you cupcake, you call me Pal. I would say there cuppy we are about even there.

    Anyways, I don't recall saying ANYTHING negative about Pierce. Personally I think the best piece of equipment is one that is backed up well by a local dealer. Probably the reason I don't drive a Maserati MC Sport. Ok, one of many reasons I don't drive one.

    Without service after the sale every manufacturer is toast.

    Insofar as lies? I only have what I am told by a rep of that company. They sure seem to think you work there. Perhaps there is confusion on their part - so I will drop it. You want details PM me, and I will consider it.
    You got bad info, it's dropped. To restore the peace, I do like your avatar.

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    Please define BEST. Ya, MY mileage does vary. Do they build a nice vehicle? Yes. But there are others building equal or better depending on what you want and how you want to do it. BEST is a VERY subjective view. T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Like I said, it's my personal decision. To me, it would be like coming to your house and taking pics and then posting them on the web. You may not care, but I think it's inappropriate for me to do so. I try and respect others' privacy. It's why I would never take a photo of a victim. Besides, as has been said, there's other places to see similar photos.
    Privacy? If Pierce or any other apparatus maker didn't want you there, you wouldn't be there. They have always told me, any thing I shot was OK with them to post. If they have something secret, you are not going to see it or even hear about it.

    You can always look on Pierce's web site and see the delivery's that has been photoshop on the back ground!!

    You would be welcome to come to my fire house and shoot the apparatus photos and post them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    FWIIW - I am not now nor have I ever been an employee of Pierce or any of their affiliates.

    I am a fire apparatus photographer.

    I take photos of fire apparatus.

    These are some I took at the Pierce Plant in Appleton.

    The white vehicles went to the ATF!

    The desert tan went to Kuwait.

    There were no secrets with these. Having said that they did have in production some vehicles that were, and were kept out of site of the customers, which were secret!

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    johnsb,

    Let's recap shall we?

    1) You came on here after a supposed visit to Pierce's manufacturinf facility talking about trucks you saw for import to China and pictures you took.

    2) When asked why you didn't post the pictures you posted some absolute horse schitt about secrecy and not wanting to cause Pierce any problems.

    3) When told by almost everyone here that there were no secets where you were or Pierce wouldn't have let you take pictures you refused to listen and posted some more absolute horse schitt.

    4) The you post an absolutely immature post ranting and raving about "nah ner, nah ner I am not posting the pictures." (frankly who gives a flying schitt, anything you took pictures of most likely can be seen in the recent deliveries section at Pierce's website)

    5) When you are caught posting as an employee of a Pierce dealership you just go farthe off the deep end. You deny it, but hinestly I believe you are an employee of a Pierce dealership. Funny how when I was selling firre apparatus the first thing I did was come on FH.com and tell EVERYONE that I was a salesman, I did the same type of announcement when I stopped selling apparatus too. Honesty still is the best policy.

    6) While I don't drink the kool-aid, I have no axe to grind with Pierce. I just get so damn tired of the "Pierce uber alles" attitude of the fanatics. We have 2 Pirece egines where I work and they are nice engines, not perfect as they have spent their time in the shop in their first year dealing with warranty issues, but very nice engines.



    firepundit,

    This really had nothing to do with the supposed Pierce hatred you are insinuating. It had to do with telling someone the premise of why he wouldn't post his pictures he took at Pierce was nonsense and him getting all ****y about it. It really was that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    johnsb,

    Let's recap shall we?

    1) You came on here after a supposed visit to Pierce's manufacturinf facility talking about trucks you saw for import to China and pictures you took.
    It wasn't a "supposed" visit, I was there. There are dozens of FF's from different depts there EVERY DAY. Why would I lie about a common occurance???
    2) When asked why you didn't post the pictures you posted some absolute horse schitt about secrecy and not wanting to cause Pierce any problems.
    Pierce may not have any "secrets", but then again they may have some processes they would rather not have on the net. And there's a lot of employees in the pics, some may not want to have their pic on the web.
    3) When told by almost everyone here that there were no secets where you were or Pierce wouldn't have let you take pictures you refused to listen and posted some more absolute horse schitt.
    I wasn't told there were no secrets by anyone that positively identified themselves as an official representative of Pierce Mfg., so I guess those are all "opinions" are'nt they?4) The you post an absolutely immature post ranting and raving about "nah ner, nah ner I am not posting the pictures." (frankly who gives a flying schitt, anything you took pictures of most likely can be seen in the recent deliveries section at Pierce's website)
    If you don't "give a flying schitt", why are you still #itching??5) When you are caught posting as an employee of a Pierce dealership you just go farthe off the deep end. You deny it, but hinestly I believe you are an employee of a Pierce dealership. Funny how when I was selling firre apparatus the first thing I did was come on FH.com and tell EVERYONE that I was a salesman, I did the same type of announcement when I stopped selling apparatus too. Honesty still is the best policy.
    If I were a saleman, I would have said I were a salesman. How am I going to sell anything if I pretended not to be a salesman. That defies all logic. And I don't really care what you believe, because you know nothing about me.6) While I don't drink the kool-aid, I have no axe to grind with Pierce. I just get so damn tired of the "Pierce uber alles" attitude of the fanatics. We have 2 Pirece egines where I work and they are nice engines, not perfect as they have spent their time in the shop in their first year dealing with warranty issues, but very nice engines.
    Where did I say that anything that's not a Pierce is a piece of "schitt"?? I went to the Pierce factory for a pre-build conference, (like I said in the first place) I was impressed by the factory, and had a good time. That was the whole point of the post. You evidently think there is some hidden secret squirrel goverment black ops agenda to it.firepundit,

    This really had nothing to do with the supposed Pierce hatred you are insinuating. It had to do with telling someone the premise of why he wouldn't post his pictures he took at Pierce was nonsense and him getting all ****y about it. It really was that simple.
    Do me a favor, don't tell me what I need to post and I'll do the same for you. Please don't get all ****y about it if I decide not to post a pic, I do believe I have the right to not post pics if I want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Privacy? If Pierce or any other apparatus maker didn't want you there, you wouldn't be there. They have always told me, any thing I shot was OK with them to post. If they have something secret, you are not going to see it or even hear about it.

    You can always look on Pierce's web site and see the delivery's that has been photoshop on the back ground!!

    You would be welcome to come to my fire house and shoot the apparatus photos and post them.



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    And again, not posting the pics. I really don't see why it's a big deal that I'm not posting them. The post was about having a good experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Please define BEST. Ya, MY mileage does vary. Do they build a nice vehicle? Yes. But there are others building equal or better depending on what you want and how you want to do it. BEST is a VERY subjective view. T.C.
    No Schitt. Ever heard of an opinion? Did you not understand it when I said "In MY experience"....

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    johnsb,

    This whole topic exploded when you posted the absolutely ridiculously nonsensical crapola that Pierce let you take pictures of something that you feel you can't post because it might be secret. Seriously, you aren't this naive are you?

    Let me ask you a really simple question, one even you may get the point of. Let's say Brand Q Fire Trucks (Fictional made up compnay just to illustrate a point) wants to know how Pierce does something in the factory. Hmmmm, they sit around and brainstorm and finally one of them says "HEY! Let's go tour the factory and take pictures of what we want to know about." But one of the others says "OH NO! We can't do that because even though they let you take pictures you are not supposed to look at them or show them to anyone else to protect any secrets Pierce might have." DO YOU GET IT? IF THEY HAD ANYTHING THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW ABOUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN IT, LET ALONE BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE PICTURES OF IT. So get over the bullschitt, and either post the pictures (frankly I don't care if you do or not), or shut the hell up about it.

    This entire topic has made you look like a petulant child, and frrankly pretty damn foolish too.
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    Guys, let it go. All of you. Just let this thread die, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    johnsb,

    This whole topic exploded when you posted the absolutely ridiculously nonsensical crapola that Pierce let you take pictures of something that you feel you can't post because it might be secret. Seriously, you aren't this naive are you?

    Let me ask you a really simple question, one even you may get the point of. Let's say Brand Q Fire Trucks (Fictional made up compnay just to illustrate a point) wants to know how Pierce does something in the factory. Hmmmm, they sit around and brainstorm and finally one of them says "HEY! Let's go tour the factory and take pictures of what we want to know about." But one of the others says "OH NO! We can't do that because even though they let you take pictures you are not supposed to look at them or show them to anyone else to protect any secrets Pierce might have." DO YOU GET IT? IF THEY HAD ANYTHING THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW ABOUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN IT, LET ALONE BEEN ALLOWED TO TAKE PICTURES OF IT. So get over the bullschitt, and either post the pictures (frankly I don't care if you do or not), or shut the hell up about it.
    Why are YOU bringing it up again???
    This entire topic has made you look like a petulant child, and frrankly pretty damn foolish too.
    I'd say the one's that look like petulant children are the ones that keep complaining after I said I wouldn't post them (you for instance), and [B]it doesn't matter why I said I wouldn't post them[/B], people just need to accept it and move on. The other point is that I was accused of being something I wasn't and that person has dropped it because they were given bad info, and the rest of you should drop it as well.

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    BoxAlarm187,

    You are right. I will drop this. It is pointless and senseless to continue.

    Besides, I have grown weary of watching johnsb implode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    BoxAlarm187,

    You are right. I will drop this. It is pointless and senseless to continue.

    Besides, I have grown weary of watching johnsb implode.
    Buh-bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsb View Post
    Buh-bye.
    Oh no johnsb...it isn't buh bye...to paraphrase Clint Eastwood in Heart Break Ridge.

    "With all due respect, johnsb, you're beginning to bore the hell out of me."

    Now unless johnsb posts to me again I am done here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Oh no johnsb...it isn't buh bye...to paraphrase Clint Eastwood in Heart Break Ridge.

    "With all due respect, johnsb, you're beginning to bore the hell out of me."

    Now unless johnsb posts to me again I am done here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Everyone knows that Toyne is better anyways.
    Except for those smart enough to buy a US Tanker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Everyone knows that Toyne is better anyways.
    I am still kind of partial to our, one and only in the State of Wisconsin, HME.

    Although, given my druthers I would take a good old Mack CF any day of the week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Oh no johnsb...it isn't buh bye...to paraphrase Clint Eastwood in Heart Break Ridge.

    "With all due respect, johnsb, you're beginning to bore the hell out of me."

    Now unless johnsb posts to me again I am done here.

    Have a nice day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Everyone knows that Toyne is better anyways.
    Oh no...I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!!
    Let me be the first to admit, my experience with Toyne is limited, but those we had here in St. Paul just didn't quite hack it...one may even go so far as to call them junk.
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    Wow, a lot of animosity over nothing, some of you guys need to get some frustrations out huh? Maybe some of you could take the latest Fire Apparatus rag into the bathroom and kill two birds with one stone?

    So the guy doesn't post pics of other people apparatus?So what, I wouldn't either unless asked specifically. I figure that if I'm at the factory to see my truck, any pics I snap of someone else's aren't really for me to publicly post. Maybe no one cares, but since that's not the purpose of my visit, I wouldn't make them public.

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