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    Hi guys,

    I am looking to upgrade the harness I am using - currently an 8 year old rock empire harness, mostly used for outdoor climbing, but as I am starting to move into a more technical role with the local rescue team, I am looking for a new harness to see me through another good 5 - 8 years of use..

    The harness must have waist, dorsal, and chest attachment points - shoulder and hip would be a bonus though..

    I have been looking at a few options, however I am open to other ideas based on experience..

    The ones I have been looking at are:

    Yates Voyager Technical Rescue Harness.
    Petzl Navaho Bod NFPA Harness
    PMI Avatar Full Body rescue Harness
    CMC Protech Fire and Rescue Harness.

    Cheers Guys.
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    I don't have experience with the PMI or the Petzl so I can't speak to either of those, but the Yates Voyager has been our go to harness for some time and the CMC ProTech is a very nice harness. It seems that the big difference between the two is that the Yates offers a bit more padding and connection points that are useful depending on what your operation is (rope rescue, confined space, etc.).

    Here are a few links to check them out a bit more closely.
    CMC Fire&Rescue Harness: http://www.advancedtechrescue.com/items.php?prod=746

    Yates Voyager: http://www.advancedtechrescue.com/items.php?prod=620

    Good luck on finding the right harness.

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    Hi,

    Primary use will be rope rescue, minor use of confined space access.

    Thanks
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    OP,
    I have used the PMI Avatar and the Petzl Navajo BOD NFPA harness, and I would recommend the Navajo over the Avatar. The comfort of the Navajo and ease of putting it on are much nicer than the Avatar with the leg loops having more padding and the waist straps staying put better. I was continually adjusting the Avatar while working for extended periods of time because the waist belt would loosen up. This has not been the case with the Navajo. I have used the navajo for confined space and high angle rescue. I cant give any review on the other two harnesses as I havent used them.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    I agree with Lewiston - I have the PMI Avatar, Petzl Navajo BOD NFPA and the Yates Basic Rope Access / Pro harnesses and my favorite are the Yates and the Petzl.

    The Petzl is great for most rope rescue teams, easy and fast to don, comfortable while on rope. The Yates I find has a few more adjustments (like where your leg loops are) and I find it is a bit more comfortable when climbing rope or doing some of the rope access maneuvers.

    I'm not a huge fan of many of CMC Harnesses, although I have owned and used many of them, and some I do like. I don't think I'd want to be on rope for too long with what appears to be thicker webbing on the one your looking at compared to the PMI/Yates & Petzl.

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    Agreed with AFD, it seems that the Petzl and Yates harnesses continue to evolve, while PMI and CMC harnesses remain somewhat antiquated in design. I would also highly recommend the Yates Rope Access Professional over the Voyager anytime. The Voyager reminds me of an older style rescue harness, while the RAP is lightweight, comfortable, and low profile. The Petzl Navaho Bod Fast(and Croll Fast) is an excellent harness. Downsides are limited size range and small D-Rings. Another real sleeper harness is the Skylotec Rescue Pro ( http://en.skylotec.com/equi/gurt/det...e=RESCUE%20PRO )
    Not cheap, but real nice

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    I have been using Rescue Technology for years to purchase equipment. I have two of the Vanguard harnesses. They are very comfortable and easy to don and doff with the quick buckles. The shoulder pads have been contoured to fit better therefore reducing the amount of abration between the pad and your neck.

    Give them a look.

    http://www.rescuetech1.com/vanguardt...ueharness.aspx

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    Thanks guys, lots of good ideas there, I will have a look at all the options and take a look at reviews and go from there..
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    Hi guys,
    as a bit of an update to this, I went to a localish supplier and had a look, at this stage its looking likely im going to purchase the Petzl version.

    from my understanding, the Navaho is available with a couple different configurations - quick release buckles, croll etc,

    The difference in price between the croll and non croll versions is $2.00 (two dollars) is it worth the extra price to get the croll version? I know the croll sells separate for an extra $90.00 by itself..

    does the croll have a place in descender based rope rescue? or is it going to be something extra that will get in the way?

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    We have the Yates, it is comfortable going down a confined space in, but it is a bit cumbersome to put on.

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    For $2.00, you'd be crazy not to get the croll. It will pay off when the time comes to ascend that rope!

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    Add the croll!!! Just make sure that the harness your ordering is either
    NAVAHO BOD CROLL FAST (C71CF0 B)
    NAVAHO BOD CROLL FAST black (C71CFN B)

    If you want to ensure NFPA compliance, some may sell the harness as the seat with the add on chest harness with croll and it isn't the same.

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    Hey guys,

    The harness is the C71CF0 B model. and meets the following standards: CE EN361, EN358, EN813, CE EN12841 type B, ANSI Z359.1

    Thanks
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    Thats a great harness Dave, you won't go wrong. The only caution about Petzl Harnesses is sizing can be a little funky if you are bigger than the average man, but not huge. Think 6'2, 100-120KG. The size 1 does well for most guys. If you go Size 2, you will most likely end up with a lot of extra webbing

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    We switched over from the PMI Viper to the Falcon Ascent for SRT work. Use a "frog" setup with a mini rack, handle ascender, chest croll and two pigtails. Like the Falcon alot.

    Still using a Yates for work where we need a full body harness. Very easy to use and comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    We switched over from the PMI Viper to the Falcon Ascent for SRT work. Use a "frog" setup with a mini rack, handle ascender, chest croll and two pigtails. Like the Falcon alot.

    Still using a Yates for work where we need a full body harness. Very easy to use and comfortable.
    You like the Yates? Ours are always twisted and contorted and sorting the leg slings takes a bit of work. Maybe we have an older model, or I just need practice.

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    @Rescue Dave 312,

    Hi Dave which harness did you end up getting?

    Your thoughts on it?

    Cheers

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