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    Default Good call on the deck gun

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    Two thumbs up for sure..that was a pretty quick knock considering the amount of fire they had when they arrived. Glad to see someone utilizing the deck gun, depts around where I live often forget about it, and go to pulling multiple ground lines and simply **** away the water they have available. Great video thanks for sharing!

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    Imagine if they charged that 2 1/2" off the back instead....


    then they could have gotten to the fire under the roof that the deck gun couldn't get at and you see still burning once the deck gun stops.
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    I gotta go with Bones on that one. Would have gotten into service quicker as well. Not to take away from them hitting it hard, but if we are nit-picking.

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    The fire clearly was confined to the exterior, so I would have been concerned that the deck gun might have pushed heat inside. A little nonsurgical for this application.

    Kinda looks like the engineer got impatient with the guys stretching hose and said, "Screw it, I'm knocking it down myself."
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    Pretty much textbook to me. Knock down the exterior with the deckgun until your lines are in place and water supply is set. Good work all around. I know there are other ways to attack this that I would agree with, but I like the idea that they recoginzed the fire spread potenial on the exterior of the structure and got water on it as fast as possible. Again good sound tactics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt-nj View Post
    Pretty much textbook to me. Knock down the exterior with the deckgun until your lines are in place and water supply is set. Good work all around. I know there are other ways to attack this that I would agree with, but I like the idea that they recoginzed the fire spread potenial on the exterior of the structure and got water on it as fast as possible. Again good sound tactics.
    I agree..I dont really think that hand line off the back would have done very much at all...and I really dont feel like the deck gun or the hand line would have made much difference on the "pushing it back" concept..either way you're attacking the fire from the exterior so it will naturally push the fire where ever it wants to go...

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    Overall not a bad job... The main goal was accomplished of getting the wet stuff on the red stuff, but for of the video, almost everyone one that company was standing around and looked kind of lost...

    Also, I don't know who it was, but it looked like 2 civilians were the ones charging the hydrant... At least that is what it looked like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuniorAFPD View Post
    Overall not a bad job... The main goal was accomplished of getting the wet stuff on the red stuff, but for of the video, almost everyone one that company was standing around and looked kind of lost...

    Also, I don't know who it was, but it looked like 2 civilians were the ones charging the hydrant... At least that is what it looked like.
    2nd that on the looking lost part lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFEMT3633 View Post
    .either way you're attacking the fire from the exterior so it will naturally push the fire where ever it wants to go...
    Why does this push the fire? If you are using a straight stream, how do you push it? Or are you talking about spreading steam everywhere. If so, that will happen when you have that much fire and you add water. Might be what you were referring to. Just looking to clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer534 View Post
    Why does this push the fire? If you are using a straight stream, how do you push it? Or are you talking about spreading steam everywhere. If so, that will happen when you have that much fire and you add water. Might be what you were referring to. Just looking to clarify.
    oh I was referring to EastKyFF's post about pushing heat inside the structure when attacking from outside...I just mean..that regardless what stream you attack with you do run the risk of "pushing" the fire to any unburned areas...when we flow water from a nozzle there is some..not much but some forward wind associated with it..in turn, "pushing" fire/heat in the direction you flow..thats my basic idea behind the post anyway..

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    How did the conditions in the interior change when that fire was attacked via the deck gun?

    Looked like there might have been more smoke and steam coming from the interior during and after.

    It knocked the fire down, but what else happened? Hard to say from a video, just food for thought, I guess.
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    C'mon Chief, you know that there was definitely more steam (which makes it look like more smoke) after hitting it!

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    It didn't push it anywhere any worse that a 2.5 would have, and the fire was knocked down much quicker.

    As far as hand lines go, an 1.75 @150-200 would have knocked that down in less than a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L-Webb View Post
    It didn't push it anywhere any worse that a 2.5 would have, and the fire was knocked down much quicker.

    As far as hand lines go, an 1.75 @150-200 would have knocked that down in less than a minute.
    Damn I feel sorry for your guys... 1 3/4" handline at 150-200psi ..phew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFEMT3633 View Post
    Damn I feel sorry for your guys... 1 3/4" handline at 150-200psi ..phew!
    Not PSI.... 150-200 GPM. We can get 150 GPM with our nozzles at around 110-120 PDP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L-Webb View Post
    Not PSI.... 150-200 GPM. We can get 150 GPM with our nozzles at around 110-120 PDP.
    LOL right on..well that I can definitely see, I sure was wondering about the other tho lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt-nj View Post
    ....Knock down the exterior with the deckgun until your lines are in place and water supply is set....
    The 2 1/2" was in place. It wasn't charged for an unknown to us reason (possibly due to operator worrying about deck gun instead). And the same water that went out the deck gun would have hit more of the fire via the 2 1/2".

    Is what they did bad/wrong? Nope. Just not, in my opinion, the best option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer534 View Post
    C'mon Chief, you know that there was definitely more steam (which makes it look like more smoke) after hitting it!
    So, are you saying you saw steam in the structure after this attack? I honestly can't tell.
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    I'm with Bones on this one.

    Is what they did bad/wrong? Nope. Just not, in my opinion, the best option.
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