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    Default Looking for help!

    Looking for any info on safer grants, if possible would like to take a look at someone's grant who may have been successful in the past. This is our first go around with the safer grant application and are hoping to get some guys back that have been laid off.

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    I'm working with a local department that asked for some help with their recent award of a vehicle grant. They are finding out that the pumper/tanker is going to cost allot more than they anticipated when they applied for the grant. They have asked their city council members if they would be willing to assist the department with the extra cost and they have agreed.

    The department would like to know.
    1. If they can add to the awarded dollars to pay for the unexpected increase in price?
    2. How much increase do you think would be approved? 5%, 10%, 20% etc.
    3. What would be the best way to approach the increase cost.

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    They can increase their cost share to whatever they want to spend.As long as they don't change the type of vehicle classification.

    On another thought: How were there unexpected increases? Did they decide that since they got fed funding they will now build a custom super parade wagon?

    I have bids on my desk right now for a 2000 gallon pumper / tanker with a 1250 waterous and engine compliment of ladders . Prices range from 275k up to 320k. All using the same Navistar 7400 chassis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    They can increase their cost share to whatever they want to spend.As long as they don't change the type of vehicle classification.

    On another thought: How were there unexpected increases? Did they decide that since they got fed funding they will now build a custom super parade wagon?

    I have bids on my desk right now for a 2000 gallon pumper / tanker with a 1250 waterous and engine compliment of ladders . Prices range from 275k up to 320k. All using the same Navistar 7400 chassis.
    You got it "custom super parade wagon"

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    Like island said, as long as they don't cross the line of GPMs from one side to the other then they can throw as much as they want at it. So if they went tanker has to stay 750gpm and below, pumper 750gpm and higher. Pumpers have no max tank size so if they're going from single axle 750-1000gal tank up to a tandem hydrant with wheels they're still good to go. Most at least move from a commercial up to custom chassis for the heavier duty frame & larger motor possibility. Makes sense in most cases, I know back up yonder way there are those hill things to deal with that I remember from my PA days. Not here in the Gulf Coast, 'tis nice and flat. No state income taxes, nice for motorcycle rides, not so much fun in some area because of the flooding thing, like what's predicted for this weekend. But not complaining, we're like 37in short on rain to get back to break-even point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief1120 View Post
    You got it "custom super parade wagon"
    The only thing I would caution is: If they can now afford to put in a much larger piece of the funding , then maybe the truth was stretched a bit on the original application. That might raise some eyebrows come audit time with the feds. Not saying this is the case here ::: but something to be cautious about. Adding an additional 20% from local funding would be OK, however adding 100k or more to the grant funds will raise questions. The grant is to fund basic necessities, not parade wagons with 8 man cabs and all the bells & whistles.
    Just thinking outside the box!

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    Did you ever get a reply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighter3364 View Post
    Did you ever get a reply?
    I had them contact their program specialist and ask them for their advice. But, like islandfire03 said, they better be very careful with the amount they over spend the grant amount. If they were so poor that they needed the grant, how can they come up with the additional money now.

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    Sometimes it's an unwillingness to invest. I've had some pick up truck awards after the town/city/county says no way, and then they're the first to come over and tell the department that they'll take a loan out to get a better truck. Or dig into the reserves. Neither of which makes sense when the amount they'd pony up wouldn't buy a decent used truck let alone a new one by itself, but of course it enhances a grant award. An extra $100k is nothing to toss at a basic truck award now just to try and get up to a decent custom chassis that will last. Most of the time that's done for powerplant purposes to avoid strain issues in being low on the HP & torque scale for the size of the truck. But it doesn't take long to add up to get more functional compartments and the like either, which all go to usability and keeping things in working order instead of just tossed on a shelf.

    But IMHO upgrading the chassis is the primary reason to add more money, increasing GPM & tank size next (if did 1500gpm go to 2000gpm, not talking cross the 750gpm tanker vs pumper thing), and other than that maybe foam but that's something that should have been in the original request since they'll give more money for that from the start, and then LED lighting to take a load off of the electrical system. Otherwise doubling the cost of the truck is pushing it since obviously having the exact same amount of money as the grant suddenly, means it was there in the first place and makes the financial argument questionable...

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