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    Hey guys, I received a felony conviction here in north carolina 3 years ago for running from the police on a motorcycle when I was 17. I know it was stupid and don't need anymore criticism, I just need some advice, tips, leads, anything about employment in the fire service. I have been on a volunteer department for a year, graduated from the fire and tr academies with flying colors along with emt school but still no luck finding a paid position.

    Please help me help others, this is my life goal.

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    Is 17 an adult or juvenile in your state?

    Running from an officer is a felony in your state ??

    Were there other charges/ circumstances involved??

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    Consider yourself lucky, in Pa. you would not have been able to get EMT with a felony conviction.

    That being said, you have to remember that there will be literally hundreds of candidates for every one, single opening. There will be hundreds of fully qualified candidates with clean criminal records......Who do you think anyone charged with FD hiring is going to go after?
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    I would consult with an attorney. See if there is anyway to have the conviction changed to a lesser charge. Due to time passed and circumstances, a court might allow it. However, that being said, it will probably cost a lot of money in court fees & attorney fees. That would be the best suggestion I can think of.

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    In Indiana your juvenile record is sealed and I don't think you have to disclose these on applications. Net

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    You can be tried as an adult in NC at age 16 and above, so it is an adult record not a juvenile record.

    JT1317, just be happy that a Vollie dept was willing to take a chance on you, and except that your decision to run from the police has had and will continue to have long lasting consequences. Good luck with getting on a paid dept anytime soon. Remember just because people in Hell want ice water really bad doesn't mean they going to get it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longshot View Post
    I would consult with an attorney. See if there is anyway to have the conviction changed to a lesser charge. Due to time passed and circumstances, a court might allow it. However, that being said, it will probably cost a lot of money in court fees & attorney fees. That would be the best suggestion I can think of.
    I've filled out one background and it asked for not only juvenile but also expunged items. As BC Lepore may chime in, they'll find it and even if it gets dumped to a lesser charge they'll find out what it was to start. You'll want to talk to the departments you want to work for and get their view. I know that the departments I've looked at won't touch you with a felony. Good luck anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwspeer View Post
    In Indiana your juvenile record is sealed and I don't think you have to disclose these on applications. Net

    Some just plain ask have you ever been arrested

    Plus with the private background checkers on the Internet, they list alot of a person 's history

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    The background that I went through brought up everything. If you were tried as an adult it will be there. Certainly not going to lecture you on your decision, you made it and youve got to live with it. However, I do think the decision you made will screw you for a firefighting job. Personally, as said above, I'd be happy that a volunteer department allowed you to join and learn to love being a volunteer. Sorry to sound negative but bad decisions have bad consequences.

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    It was high speed on a sport bike, which made it a felony. and yes you are an adult here when you are 16 unfortunately which is rediculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Consider yourself lucky, in Pa. you would not have been able to get EMT with a felony conviction.

    That being said, you have to remember that there will be literally hundreds of candidates for every one, single opening. There will be hundreds of fully qualified candidates with clean criminal records......Who do you think anyone charged with FD hiring is going to go after?
    i was told i wasnt allowed to get it here also and fought for 9 months with the state ems board jumping through hoops and finally got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longshot View Post
    I would consult with an attorney. See if there is anyway to have the conviction changed to a lesser charge. Due to time passed and circumstances, a court might allow it. However, that being said, it will probably cost a lot of money in court fees & attorney fees. That would be the best suggestion I can think of.
    Longshot, I am in the process of doing that now, i don't care if it costs me mounds of money more than it already has, I just want to succeed. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwspeer View Post
    In Indiana your juvenile record is sealed and I don't think you have to disclose these on applications. Net
    BWSPEER thanks for that I will look into that, honestly I am more than willing to relocate, I am tired of wasting time being jerked around about this

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    and as for the people in hell want ice water perspective, there are people on FDNY with worse felonies serving all the time, it's not impossible. thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT1317 View Post
    and as for the people in hell want ice water perspective, there are people on FDNY with worse felonies serving all the time, it's not impossible. thanks.

    Good for them, move to NY and try your luck there, because you've got less than a snow balls chance in NC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JT1317 View Post
    It was high speed on a sport bike, which made it a felony. and yes you are an adult here when you are 16 unfortunately which is rediculous.

    What is ridiculous, is the fact that you ran from the police, putting their lives not to mention the rest of the motoring public at risk and now want a pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    What is ridiculous, is the fact that you ran from the police, putting their lives not to mention the rest of the motoring public at risk and now want a pass.
    I'm going to wish you luck and say don't give up. What I'm not going to disagree with is this quote above...you made light of a serious offense 16 yrs old or not, someone could have been seriously hurt or worse (hence you got a felony for a reason)... I believe people can change, with that said unfortunately the hiring personnel only can go off of your past and of course there will be plenty of clean backgrounds. All you can do is work at staying clean and get yourself experience and prepared for tests and interviews. With A LOT of luck who knows, crazier things have happened i guess.

    P.S When you say things like "I am tired of wasting time being jerked around about this" it looks bad, getting to a position in the fire service should never be a waste of time and trust me if you make it to an oral board or background investigation your going to be "jerked around" about this. I know you knew when you posted this thread there were going to be a few guys that gave you some backlash.

    Again i wish you luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    What is ridiculous, is the fact that you ran from the police, putting their lives not to mention the rest of the motoring public at risk and now want a pass.
    i think you need to not run your mouth about something that you are unfamiliar with im not saying it wasn't serious, i was the only one injured in the chase, ive had 7 major surgeries just to be able to function as a normal person and served my time in the correctional system. I'm not going to sit here and get grilled by someone sitting behind a computer thinking that they're an exact replica of Jesus himself. Read my original post again and learn how to follow instructions

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPJ1987 View Post
    I'm going to wish you luck and say don't give up. What I'm not going to disagree with is this quote above...you made light of a serious offense 16 yrs old or not, someone could have been seriously hurt or worse (hence you got a felony for a reason)... I believe people can change, with that said unfortunately the hiring personnel only can go off of your past and of course there will be plenty of clean backgrounds. All you can do is work at staying clean and get yourself experience and prepared for tests and interviews. With A LOT of luck who knows, crazier things have happened i guess.

    P.S When you say things like "I am tired of wasting time being jerked around about this" it looks bad, getting to a position in the fire service should never be a waste of time and trust me if you make it to an oral board or background investigation your going to be "jerked around" about this. I know you knew when you posted this thread there were going to be a few guys that gave you some backlash.

    Again i wish you luck.
    thanks and I have made is through many oral boards and written/physical tests only to be told after i passed all of the above that i was then disqualified because of my conviction.

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    as of today, looks like people in hell just got icewater http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-new-...,2347252.story

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT1317 View Post
    i think you need to not run your mouth about something that you are unfamiliar with im not saying it wasn't serious, i was the only one injured in the chase, ive had 7 major surgeries just to be able to function as a normal person and served my time in the correctional system. I'm not going to sit here and get grilled by someone sitting behind a computer thinking that they're an exact replica of Jesus himself. Read my original post again and learn how to follow instructions
    First things first, it would seem that you are the one that has a problem following instructions, thus the felony in your jacket.

    Second you came on here and asked that we thought, and when you did not hear what you you want to hear, you start pitching a hissy fit.

    Third, I'm very familiar with people like you. I get to deal with your type on a daily basis, and I can tell from your short time here that you are the type that has screwed up and now you think that you should not be held accountable for your actions.

    The fact that you are a convicted felon is only a small part of your problem. Your major problem is your poor attitude and your sense of entitlement.

    I warms my heart that you were the only one hurt and that you have since recovered from your injuries. If nothing else it means that my tax money is not being spent on yet another person who is living off of a disability check due to their own stupidity.

    If the bleeding hearts out there want to give you a second chance, fine by me, but I think that you will find that most of the guys who are on the job, that have seen the negative results of actions like yours, will not be so understanding.

    My question to you is "What makes you think that you are more deserving of a job than someone who is not a convicted felon?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by JT1317 View Post
    thanks and I have made is through many oral boards and written/physical tests only to be told after i passed all of the above that i was then disqualified because of my conviction.
    I think I would ask hr And fd up front there policy, explain in full details what happened, and let them tell you if you have a chance, before you go through all the testing

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    First of all, you have been a member for less than a month and you have already ticked off older members who have been there, did it before you were even born.

    Grow up young man. You stole a bicycle, ran from the police and then got caught. You now want to be a firefighter some where.

    If you apply at any career department all records will be looked at, even those you say are seal. They aren't sealed when a investigator is looking into your background. I can tell you that my former department would trash you application from the start. Most others would also do the same.

    Most fire departments will not hire you. Most state EMS agencies will not give you a license to be an EMT or higher, with a felony.

    When you were younger, you don't think about what I want to do when I grow up. You live as you feel is the best at the time.

    The military probably would not take you now either.

    The best thing right now for you is to finish high school, try to get into a college and seek a good good in another field. You might be able to be a volunteer somewhere. I would reject your application for that position.

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    You might check to see if any felony is an automatic disqualifier or just certain classes

    Looks like north carolina has various classes of felonies, that some other states might not include as felonies

    http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com...lony-class.htm

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    JT1317 and anyone else here who has a felony and is looking at EMS/Fire service for the future:

    When a person commits a crime they prove themselves untrustworthy at that moment in time and indefinitely if they choose to allow it. It can be restored totally if you are willing work at it. The question is do you have what it takes to get it done, to be able to see your dream become a reality? If so, you need to drop the smug attitude need to pick yourself up by the bootlaces; stop making excuses for why you are experiencing trouble with finding employment as a paid Firefighter/EMT/Paramedic/etc.

    Life will pass you by while you sit in the corner sobbing about what you should/shouldn’t have done and who is to blame. You are to blame; you and you alone. The quicker you accept that the faster you can move forward. It’s up to you.

    So, assuming you have crawled out of the corner, other than paying the debt the judge saw fit to sentence you with what have you done to make an amends for that lack of judgment? Where is your free time spent? Are you enrolled in college/univ classes? If you aren’t why aren’t you? Do you volunteer your time to a Big Brothers/Big Sister’s type of organization where your story could have an impact on someone else’s life who may or may not be at risk for making similar or worse mistakes in their decision making process? Are you active in a young adults group at a church (not that one must go to church to be an upstanding citizen but there are generally good people there to network with and who can help you with counseling, etc…)? Who are your friends and are they good for you? What kind of work are you currently engaged in (being out of work or allowing yourself to not excel at work and using your felony as an excuse/reason/escape should not be an option)? What is your 5 year/10 year plan, do you even have a plan? Are you saving money or squandering it away? Are you in a gym training? If you aren’t – again- why aren’t you? I could go on and on but you get the idea. All this would look really favorable to a probation, pardon, and parole board who could approve (or deny) your application fully restoring ALL of your rights, unconditionally.

    About right now, if you haven’t done so already, you are thinking to yourself, “that’s easy for you to say; you haven’t walked in my shoes.” You would be wrong - I have been in your shoes. The glaring difference between you and I is that I didn’t allow other peoples half-baked, ill-conceived, bigoted or otherwise prejudiced opinions of me, which were based solely on having made a mistake/lapse in judgment or whatever the term du jour is, have any lasting effect whatsoever on who I was or am today and what I was determined to accomplish.

    To that point, in 1992 I was convicted of 3 non-malicious, non-violent felonies in SC – one I freely admit to having been party to and pled guilty to, the others I had no part in but on the advice of a public defender I pled no contest to. I was sentenced to 8 years suspended to 5 years of probation. During my probation I finished my undergraduate degree in Biology/Chemistry with a 3.86 GPA, became an EMT (1993) and an NREMT-P (1995) and a vol FF (1996). I worked for one of the most progressive and forward leaning EMS (not granny shuffle) agencies in SC and in a LVL-1 trauma center. I volunteered for the BB/BS program, an all-volunteer FD, taught CPR/first-aid and life guard classes for the Red Cross and counseled at-risk high school kids on making good decisions. In 1999 I applied for and received an unconditional gubernatorial pardon on my first submittal. People came out of the proverbial woodwork in support of me and at time of submission my pardon packet included letters of recommendation from 72 individuals ranging from the probation officers and teachers to the mayor and city/county council members with 11 of them showing up to the hearing as personal witnesses in the event they were needed. After receiving my pardon I continued my volunteer service to all the previously mentioned (because its important and wasn’t just a means to an end) until 19 goat-blowers decided to come over here and start a jihad. Shortly after 9.11.01 I enlisted in the US Army at 30 y/o where I became a Special Forces medic.* SF is where I have been since that time and will be for the next few weeks til I return to the civilian realm as a paramedic and vol FF - until my nation needs me again. I held a Secret clearance for several years which was upgraded to a Top Secret+ clearance* about 4 years ago (talk about someone digging into your past...) With both of these clearances I have/had access to, and am entrusted with more national security information and intelligence than the vast majority of “non-felons” can fathom being responsible for or able to be entrusted with. I have briefed two foreign presidents, a handful of ambassadors, the former White House Chief of Staff and a few Congressmen and have served on the OCONUS protective detail of several Congressmen. None of my coworkers would suspect that 20 years ago I could have been found sitting in a jail cell pondering what I would be doing in 20 years as a felon.

    I am by far more trustworthy today than I was before the conviction and truly consider myself a better person who has a solid understanding of what freedom, integrity, and honor are because of my past, not in spite of it. Remember, trustworthiness is not being without fault(s); it is about being honest.

    JT1317 et al, now what’s your excuse?

    It just takes a lil perseverance, "steady persistence in a course of action, a purpose, a state, etc., especially in spite of difficulties, obstacles, or discouragement."

    In closing, and in response to many of the posts on this web board with respect to felons and their trustworthiness, many of you would do well to come down from behind the podium. Painting with such a broad brush exhibits a lack of maturity and professionalism.

    *Anyone here who would like to question the validity of the claims above may contact an admin/mod about it. I will be more than happy to email that individual my bona fides: enlisted records brief outlining my assignments in the military, JPAS (the document that states what clearance level I hold), and my FBI record.

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