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    Did you read about how the union's going to try to intervene legally by presenting that evidence and making that argument? They obtained those numbers through a public records request.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter56 View Post
    Did you read about how the union's going to try to intervene legally by presenting that evidence and making that argument? They obtained those numbers through a public records request.
    Yes, and I agree the union should. On the other hand, I wish this business would just get settled so I can stop thinking about it constantly.

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    That "Pass the Torch Academy" looks cool. Kind of a dick move to limit it to ages 18-24 when you can apply up to 35.

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    I know this is messed up and taboo. But can you list yourself as any ethnicity you want? I know, Im part native american, Japanese, and white. I know when I applied for colleges I listed myself as Native American. Could I even consider myself Hispanic, cause thats exactly what I look like. lol. This stuff has always confused me, and I dont think I will ever fully understand affirmative action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neonshoes View Post
    I know this is messed up and taboo. But can you list yourself as any ethnicity you want? I know, Im part native american, Japanese, and white. I know when I applied for colleges I listed myself as Native American. Could I even consider myself Hispanic, cause thats exactly what I look like. lol. This stuff has always confused me, and I dont think I will ever fully understand affirmative action.

    Welcome to the boat

    I think the census now has a term for multi culture

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    American Indian groups express concern about self-identification. Tribal recognition of status as an American Indian or Alaskan Native (Alaskan Indian, Eskimo, or Aleut) is a legal definition


    http://m.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg_race-ethnicity


    More than likely it is what it is being applied to, as far as what ethnicity can be claimed

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    At this point it seems obvious that no one was actually discriminated against in the 2013 process.

    So, one wonders: What does the City Manager's Office stand to gain by continuously making these discrimination claims?

    And you may say, "Well the DOJ makes these claims too..."
    I strongly believe someone at the CM's Office is colluding with someone at the DOJ.
    Just a theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kel V View Post
    At this point it seems obvious that no one was actually discriminated against in the 2013 process.

    So, one wonders: What does the City Manager's Office stand to gain by continuously making these discrimination claims?



    And you may say, "Well the DOJ makes these claims too..."
    I strongly believe someone at the CM's Office is colluding with someone at the DOJ.
    Just a theory.


    Seems either they want to take over the entire hiring process

    Or establish quotas

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire49 View Post
    Seems either they want to take over the entire hiring process

    Or establish quotas
    Both are correct. Believe me, it is not the union or the members of the dept. holding up the process. The reason we (the union) are fighting this with the city manager and asst. city manager are if the consent decree goes through (do to their screw up mind you), anything we have to bargain with when it comes to contract time goes away. The city will not be giving us raises or many of the other things fought for in the past such as promotional processes. Stick with the process. This is a great dept. with tons of possibilities for your career if can stick it through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco146 View Post
    Both are correct. Believe me, it is not the union or the members of the dept. holding up the process. The reason we (the union) are fighting this with the city manager and asst. city manager are if the consent decree goes through (do to their screw up mind you), anything we have to bargain with when it comes to contract time goes away. The city will not be giving us raises or many of the other things fought for in the past such as promotional processes. Stick with the process. This is a great dept. with tons of possibilities for your career if can stick it through.
    have talked to a few Austin Fd, over the years and have not heard anything bad about the dept, and know someone on it, but have not seen him in awhile.

    Just could old city politics with state politics thrown in, that messes up the stew.

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    Bronco, I've read stopping the consent decree would trigger a lawsuit from the DOJ. Is that what the union is pursuing in the weeks leading to the City Council meeting on 2/27?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter56 View Post
    Bronco, I've read stopping the consent decree would trigger a lawsuit from the DOJ. Is that what the union is pursuing in the weeks leading to the City Council meeting on 2/27?
    The city was trying to pass the consent decree last week without even consulting with the DOJ. The DOJ did not even know it was on the council agenda until they me with the union that day. When it was found out what was going on and that the cat was out of the bag, council pulled it. It sounds from what I have heard, what the union wnats and what the DOJ wants is very close together, we just don't want a consent decree due to it screwing up our future with bargaining rights. The whole problem stems from the city side of things and I think people are starting to realize that. The city will vote for any consent decree so I don't think the DOJ will have to sue, but it the union will more than likely take it to court if it comes to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco146 View Post
    The city was trying to pass the consent decree last week without even consulting with the DOJ. The DOJ did not even know it was on the council agenda until they me with the union that day. When it was found out what was going on and that the cat was out of the bag, council pulled it.
    Without even consulting the DOJ? It's well documented that they've consulted them since October via the City Attorney's office. It is good news though that they're consulting the union now, as it seems some evidence has been withheld by the city, i.e. the email that showed there was no discrimination in 2013.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco146 View Post
    It sounds from what I have heard, what the union wnats and what the DOJ wants is very close together, we just don't want a consent decree due to it screwing up our future with bargaining rights.
    In their letter to the City, DOJ indicated it would sue if some settlement was not made of claims by a consent decree. I suspect that if a consent decree circumvented the CBA, that is why it would pull in the union to defend their bargaining rights which would be affected for the life of the decree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco146 View Post
    The whole problem stems from the city side of things and I think people are starting to realize that. The city will vote for any consent decree so I don't think the DOJ will have to sue, but it the union will more than likely take it to court if it comes to that.
    Since the DOJ has documented that it will sue without a settlement by consent decree, the question is, could a consent decree pass that did not necessarily circumvent the CBA so that things can move forward? Otherwise, the current process could continue to be held hostage by lengthy litigation.
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    What I meant was the city and DOJ had not discussed the terms of a consent decree which is what city council was going to vote on. Most if not all that has been told to us (firefighters in the field) is located on the union website for public view.

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    Right, they didn't run the final draft by them up for vote.

    http://www.austinsafetyfirst.org/press-room/

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    Long time lurker. I've been following this as most of you have. Took the exam back in April, scored top 100, and all that. I started the San Antonio process just recently. We'll see which one gets along faster. Hehehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhorn2009 View Post
    I started the San Antonio process just recently. We'll see which one gets along faster. Hehehe.
    Fingers crossed for Austin!

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    Does anybody work or know anybody that works for Pflugerville fire department? It is near Austin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psilentchild View Post
    Does anybody work or know anybody that works for Pflugerville fire department? It is near Austin.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=aust...sm=93&ie=UTF-8

    It's about 17 miles north of Austin, and in rush hour traffic will be considerably more than half an hour to get there from Austin. I'd say up to an hour conservatively if you are leaving from somewhere within the downtown or south area.

    Sorry psilentchild. I thought you had asked if it was near Austin.
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    Odds of resuming by end of month, anyone?

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