Act of Valor

[Spencer534]

Just saw "Act of Valor". Cant recommend it enough. If you love this country and understand that the American Military has freed more people than any other entity in history, you will thoroughly appreciate the movie. There is even several nods towards firefighters.

[voyager9]

Saw it this afternoon. Very well done and a good movie. The dialog was rough but the room clearing was spot on, as you'd expect.

And the list at the end is exactly why Murtha and Giffords should not have Navy ships named after them.

[scfire86]

Saw it this afternoon. Very well done and a good movie. The dialog was rough but the room clearing was spot on, as you'd expect.

And the list at the end is exactly why Murtha and Giffords should not have Navy ships named after them.

Why? Murtha is a former Marine vet who volunteered for service in Vietnam.

Giffords got shot by a wacko while serving her constituents.. If that doesn't qualify for having a ship named after you, what does?

I do intend to see this movie. I don't expect good reviews from critics, but one of my neighbors saw it and says it does a great job of showing operations without being political. SEALs are given a mission, they go. There is no politicizing about why.

[GTRider245]

I saw it Friday, thought it was great. Almost slapped someone for comparing it to the Fireproof/Courageous movies though.

[mikeyboy411]

The Lil' Lady and I saw it on Saturday and I agree that it is an awesome movie. My Better Half was even sniffling at the end and has a higher appreciation for what our Military goes through and is asked to do. Since then, she's even made a few comments about how it's similar to our Jobs; we're called, respond, do our duties and then re-deploy. I can see her point, but I still am very thankful for all that are willing to serve (my Dad, brothers, cousins, friends and such).

To those that have served, continue to serve and will serve in the future my family and I thank you.

[Florida reef]

If volunteering for service during a time of war rates having a ship named after you, where I can put my name in? Also, Murtha trashed the Haditha Marines, all but one exonerated but were left with huge defense fees and shattered lives.
While Giffords assassination attempt was horrible, I can think of a few thousand other people that deserve naval vessels named after them. You can find those names on the OIF/OEF KIA list.

My point is, Murtha and Giffords have done nothing nor sacrificed anything close as what the men on the list at the end of the movie has.

Why? Murtha is a former Marine vet who volunteered for service in Vietnam.

Giffords got shot by a wacko while serving her constituents.. If that doesn't qualify for having a ship named after you, what does?

I do intend to see this movie. I don't expect good reviews from critics, but one of my neighbors saw it and says it does a great job of showing operations without being political. SEALs are given a mission, they go. There is no politicizing about why.

[scfire86]

If volunteering for service during a time of war rates having a ship named after you, where I can put my name in? Also, Murtha trashed the Haditha Marines, all but one exonerated but were left with huge defense fees and shattered lives.
While Giffords assassination attempt was horrible, I can think of a few thousand other people that deserve naval vessels named after them. You can find those names on the OIF/OEF KIA list.

My point is, Murtha and Giffords have done nothing nor sacrificed anything close as what the men on the list at the end of the movie has.

Since when has that ever been the standard to name ships? Reagan, Bush, Vinson, Lincoln, Truman, Eisenhower and Stennis, are seven names of current aircraft carriers. None of those individuals paid the ultimate sacrifice in battle. I'm sure I could find dozens of ship names in other classes in the same boat (no pun intended. Well yes I did).

Murtha served his country in a combat arena. More than I can say for many of the names on that list. Don't like what he did to the Haditha Marines. I'm still angry they were sent there in the first place. That is where your anger should be directed.

[VinnieB]

SC, you need to do a little homework on how ships get named. The ones you mentioned are super carriers, and are named after people or places of great importance and contribution....ie presidents and a great naval officer. Destroyers have been named for people who generally have given all they could or have gave great contributions to the military. Murtha, despite major protest will have an LPD named after him....why...I have no idea....I can think I a few names that should be before him.

I find it funny that you will side with Murtha because of his political affiliation and ideals are like yours, but you discredit anyone who disagrees with you despite their contributions to the great nation. If someone does not share the same view point as you, you attempt to brush their point of view aside like they are a fool. Here, we have a poster who served his country in OIF/OEF, sharing his point on Murtha and his actions against The Marines at Haiditha, you cast it aside and tout murthas service.....and Murtha is an authority on Iraq? I will take the word of an OIF/OEF vet anyway before I listen too anything so old fart has from 40 years ago....different time...different war. The hypocrisy is disgusting....

I personally haven't seen this flick and I probably won't. I do not like war movies, but I hear it was done well. The SEALs are a great organization, I am sure they cut out a lot of Hollywood BS.

[Florida reef]

Directing my anger toward someone else for what Murtha did is a waste of time. I'd rather keep the blame and anger right where it belongs...square on Murtha. I'm pretty sure the Marines serving in Haditha that day feel the same, as I know a handful of them since I was in 3/1 and in Haditha with them.
Diggin' the pun though.

[scfire86]

I find it funny that you will side with Murtha because of his political affiliation and ideals are like yours, but you discredit anyone who disagrees with you despite their contributions to the great nation. If someone does not share the same view point as you, you attempt to brush their point of view aside like they are a fool. Here, we have a poster who served his country in OIF/OEF, sharing his point on Murtha and his actions against The Marines at Haiditha, you cast it aside and tout murthas service.....and Murtha is an authority on Iraq? I will take the word of an OIF/OEF vet anyway before I listen too anything so old fart has from 40 years ago....different time...different war. The hypocrisy is disgusting....

I respect Murtha because he went to a war zone. As opposed to all those who told me I had to support Bush. In fact, I can point you to a thread where many of my so called fire brethren told me that if I criticized the president it was borderline treason because there were troops in harms way and not showing solid support of the president would embolden our enemies. However, after Jan. 20, 2009, conservatives routinely criticized the president and his decisions as it related to the war effort. Maybe you can tell me what happened on that date that caused such a drastic change of mind in presidential criticism. Also, many of those who told me I had to support the troops (which I did and still do) were eligible for military service. Not a one of them enlisted or joined. Their support was lip service and buying a little yellow ribbon (probably made in China) for their car. Murtha on the other hand, was in the military and requested duty to a combat theater. I'll take someone who walked the walked over those who talked the talk anytime. This is going to start a flame war. But it was also one of the many reasons I supported Kerry over Bush.

I personally haven't seen this flick and I probably won't. I do not like war movies, but I hear it was done well. The SEALs are a great organization, I am sure they cut out a lot of Hollywood BS.

I haven't seen it either. Given their actions in taking down Bin Laden. Which was a remarkable operation given that it started out with a helicopter crash. And then freeing the aid workers in Somalia, they are definitely an incredible group of individuals. I'm told my old department has hired about a half dozen or so in the last 5 years. Not surprising given our proximity to San Diego. An article I read detailed how the Navy was not happy with the Charlie Sheen movie in the 80's in that it should SEALs as being self centered. When their entire strength lies in their functioning as a team. The other two points of the article was a comment by the directors was that since they used real military personnel the cameramen weren't prepared for how quickly the operations occur since all they had experience were in the past had been choreographed actions performed by actors. Also, the Navy was adamant that nothing would be shown that couldn't actually occur in real life. So there is none of them (for example) jumping off a 20 story building and landing on concrete and just shaking off the dust.

I'll probably see it. If not at the movies, when it comes to video. Somebody likes it. It was tops at the box office last week.

[voyager9]

I respect Murtha because he went to a war zone.
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Murtha on the other hand, was in the military and requested duty to a combat theater. I'll take someone who walked the walked over those who talked the talk anytime.

I'll give you that there is at least a case for Murtha due to his previous service. I think that his service in Vietnam is overshadowed by his behavior after that, however. IMHO while he may still be on 'the list', it would be much lower then some others.

Giffords, on the other hand, doesn't belong on the list at all. Even her husband has a better claim to having a ship named after him then she does. What happened to her is tragic, and her recovery is truly inspirational... but I'm sorry, it doesn't qualify her for a warship. Name a federal building, or a 5k road race after her..

An article I read detailed how the Navy was not happy with the Charlie Sheen movie in the 80's in that it should SEALs as being self centered. When their entire strength lies in their functioning as a team. The other two points of the article was a comment by the directors was that since they used real military personnel the cameramen weren't prepared for how quickly the operations occur since all they had experience were in the past had been choreographed actions performed by actors. Also, the Navy was adamant that nothing would be shown that couldn't actually occur in real life. So there is none of them (for example) jumping off a 20 story building and landing on concrete and just shaking off the dust.

The Charlie Sheen movie is to the SEALs what Crimson Tide is to Submariners, or Ladder 49 is to Firefighters. Except the Sheen movie was awful.

I had heard the same thing about the speed of the action sequences.. There was a good NPR interview with the directors about that and some other aspects of the movie.

I'd like to see a movie based on Lone Survivor.. then again, maybe not. I'd hate to see Hollywood mess that up since it was such a good book and story.. and if you want to talk about names that should qualify for warships, look there.

[snowball]

I'll probably see it. If not at the movies, when it comes to video.

You got a line on new Betamax releases?

[scfire86]

You got a line on new Betamax releases?

Not any more. Fun fact. Everyone told me Beta was a better format than VHS. I checked out both and it was. Guess which one I bought and which one everyone else bought?

[BoxAlarm187]

Not any more. Fun fact. Everyone told me Beta was a better format than VHS. I checked out both and it was. Guess which one I bought and which one everyone else bought?

Another fun fact: while the Betamax tapes did provide a superior picture, it was the porn industry that ultimately drove the US to using VHS, as they could provide hours more footage on a VHS tape. Sex sells!

[scfire86]

Another fun fact: while the Betamax tapes did provide a superior picture, it was the porn industry that ultimately drove the US to using VHS, as they could provide hours more footage on a VHS tape. Sex sells!

The other "movie" industry. Once upon a time it was the domain of a seedy group of folks working out of the valley (San Fernando). Now its the domain of seedy folks working out in the valley. Only now they are employed by the major studios.

[VinnieB]

I respect Murtha because he went to a war zone. As opposed to all those who told me I had to support Bush. In fact, I can point you to a thread where many of my so called fire brethren told me that if I criticized the president it was borderline treason because there were troops in harms way and not showing solid support of the president would embolden our enemies. However, after Jan. 20, 2009, conservatives routinely criticized the president and his decisions as it related to the war effort. Maybe you can tell me what happened on that date that caused such a drastic change of mind in presidential criticism. Also, many of those who told me I had to support the troops (which I did and still do) were eligible for military service. Not a one of them enlisted or joined. Their support was lip service and buying a little yellow ribbon (probably made in China) for their car. Murtha on the other hand, was in the military and requested duty to a combat theater. I'll take someone who walked the walked over those who talked the talk anytime. This is going to start a flame war. But it was also one of the many reasons I supported Kerry over Bush.

I am not getting into any flame war as you put it. My point is that you consistently attack the point of other that doesn't fit your ideology and you continue to find solidarity with examples of politicos who fit that ideology, you tout Murtha and Kerry as heroes....while their actions in combat may have yielded them decorations, much too a question of many...but be that as it may, they received awards and are labeled "heroes"...I would venture to say the you also believe Tim McVeigh is a hero as well..following your logic that is.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

[scfire86]

I would venture to say the you also believe Tim McVeigh is a hero as well..following your logic that is.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

I would venture to say your logic is flawed. McVeigh was a coward. Like all terrorists.

BTW, I also respect conservatives (like Bob Dole and George H. W. Bush) that served their country during wartime.

[VinnieB]

Actually, it was using your logic...

If a person serves in a time of war and receives awards for valor, then they are heroes
Time McVeigh served in the 1st Inf Div in the Gulf war and received the Bronze Star, hence...Time McVeigh; using your logic, is a Hero for his actions to receive such an award.....

So...your logic is flawed, because McVeigh displayed sociopathology and committed a heinous act against his own nation, he was a hero once....you have added a new variable into the mix....treason maybe...interesting....

But whatever....I hear the movie was pretty good.

Stay Safe

[scfire86]

Actually, it was using your logic...

If a person serves in a time of war and receives awards for valor, then they are heroes
Time McVeigh served in the 1st Inf Div in the Gulf war and received the Bronze Star, hence...Time McVeigh; using your logic, is a Hero for his actions to receive such an award.....

So...your logic is flawed, because McVeigh displayed sociopathology and committed a heinous act against his own nation, he was a hero once....you have added a new variable into the mix....treason maybe...interesting....

But whatever....I hear the movie was pretty good.

Stay Safe

Keep thinking that. McVeigh killed hundreds of Americans after returning home.

Murtha did not.

[ChiefKN]

So, in honor of Murtha they should call the ship, "Rush To Judgement".