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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    If Mack trucks were to build a new 2013 CF pumper there would be a waiting list of about 3 years, because the plant could not keep up with the sales . They should design and build a cab foward chassis for the fire service , something like the trash hauling chassis with four doors !
    So it's OK to buy a truck strictly for the name, as long as it's the right name? One might guess that any new manufacturer will have many of the same issues as the rest given they'd need to similalry cheapen their product to be viable and reamin in the market. Another part of me thinks that no one is going to ever have a following like years past, now that the internet allows us to see all the warts and lumps in an instant. I can have 25 diffferent users opinions in minutes as opposed to 20 years ago having to call 35 people to get 25 to actually answer, and that didn't include checking the relevancy of the person you sopke to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    If Mack trucks were to build a new 2013 CF pumper there would be a waiting list of about 3 years, because the plant could not keep up with the sales . They should design and build a cab foward chassis for the fire service , something like the trash hauling chassis with four doors !
    Wasn't that what a CF chassis was, a garbage truck dressed up !!

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    As to the future of fire apparatus: there will continue to be shifts in the market favoring this or that vendor. price is a huge factor but in some instances it may not be. Thus a preferred apparatus will be ordered. That's just the way things are and have always been.

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    The Mack CF cab was built from the F-model over-the-road cabover tractor (truck). Much of the sheet metal was interchangeable as well as the driveline parts.
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    The CF Mack was essentially a name merger of the Mack C [1956 or 1957 to 1967] and the Commercial F-model as stated in the previous post. The FDNY Super Pumper and Super Tender were actual cab-over f models.

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    The " MC " may have been a trash hauling chassis !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    The " MC " may have been a trash hauling chassis !
    Correct, the MC is also affectionately known as "the trashpacker." Very common chassis for heavy rescues although quite a few found their way onto pumper chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    Wasn't that what a CF chassis was, a garbage truck dressed up !!
    My Mack CF engine has a message for you.....
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    The F model cabover was one of the few mistakes Mack made.
    Small cramped drivers area , drafty, noisy and a sleeper designed for midgets. Spent over a year running team in one of them and hated almost every day of it.
    Had to wear Sorrel boots in the winter to keep from getting frostbite to your toes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandfire03 View Post
    The F model cabover was one of the few mistakes Mack made.
    Small cramped drivers area , drafty, noisy and a sleeper designed for midgets. Spent over a year running team in one of them and hated almost every day of it.
    Had to wear Sorrel boots in the winter to keep from getting frostbite to your toes.

    I owned two of them during my O/O career, one Hayward and one Allentown. Both good trucks, but definitely not team trucks. And did you ever notice how many of them had duct tape around the vent flap on the driver's side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    I owned two of them during my O/O career, one Hayward and one Allentown. Both good trucks, but definitely not team trucks. And did you ever notice how many of them had duct tape around the vent flap on the driver's side?
    I do remember when going with you on weekend runs in the winter, you warming it up for a half-hour (at least) while you drank a minimum of two cups of coffee inside Chucks, and even then when you finally put the hammer down it took three forevers to get warm inside the cab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    I do remember when going with you on weekend runs in the winter, you warming it up for a half-hour (at least) while you drank a minimum of two cups of coffee inside Chucks, and even then when you finally put the hammer down it took three forevers to get warm inside the cab.
    Sounds similar to the heater in my old volkswagon. You had to reach out around the a-post and scrap the frost off the windshield driving down the road because it had little defrost or heat. those were the days.

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    The Mack CF chassis cab also had those vacuum operated windshield wipers that sometimes work and sometimes they did'nt !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    The Mack CF chassis cab also had those vacuum operated windshield wipers that sometimes work and sometimes they did'nt !
    Actually, they were air operated. When they worked, they were great. But when they didn't...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefengineer11 View Post
    I owned two of them during my O/O career, one Hayward and one Allentown. Both good trucks, but definitely not team trucks. And did you ever notice how many of them had duct tape around the vent flap on the driver's side?
    yep: had to duct tape them shut to keep the snow & rain out.
    The one we ran out of waterbury Ct hauling flatbed was almost brand new, & the heater worked ok on defrost, but next to nothing down at the foot wells. Century Brass was a cheap company and they figured the Macks would last forever.

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    There are many 40 year old Mack CF chassis apparatus still in service here on the east coast, let's see if one of those new fire trucks from any builder will last that long ? they all have rust but there running strong !

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    Any news on when we are going to see the first built KME pumper for the FDNY ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    Any news on when we are going to see the first built KME pumper for the FDNY ?
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    From what I understand the prototype is just being started, I would think a few months yet.

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    Any FDNY firefighters hear any news on when the first new KME pumper will be completed. By the time the 1st rig is done the contract will be over!

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