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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    They also use the front connection to keep street space open.
    Speaking of connections, it looks like this truck does not have the multiple rear discharges that FDNY has had on their engines for many years.

    Would be curious why the change.
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    More Pics of the KME from the Buff show on long island this past weekend.

    http://nycfire.net/gallery/fdny/kme/

    All engines carry at least one 10' section of hard suction. It is used only for drafting.
    They also carry a 10' section of soft suction (looks the same as hard but slightly smaller) for connecting to hydrants.

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    I could have sworn all new engines to the 2,000 gpm pump spec carry at least four lengths of suction...
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    Are these 2000 gpm? I don't see enough discharges for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    Are these 2000 gpm? I don't see enough discharges for that.
    I think all of the new engines for the last few years have been 2,000 gpm, even the high pressure units. The only exception being the squad company units, they're still 1,000 gpm to keep the pump house shorter so the whole rig is more compact with the rescue pumper body.

    Surely someone in the know is aware if the KME pumpers are 2,000 gpm. I know the last of the Seagrave units were, at least according to their website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    Are these 2000 gpm? I don't see enough discharges for that.
    Identical to the last Seagraves, there are more than enough discharges to maintain 2000GPM, a discharge capacity of 3125GPM using the NPFA estimates.

    5 - 2.5" (250GPM ea. 2 left panel, 2 right panel, 1 bumper)
    2 - 4.5" (750GPM ea. 1 bumper, 1 rear)
    1 - 3" (375GPM ea. deck gun)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Speaking of connections, it looks like this truck does not have the multiple rear discharges that FDNY has had on their engines for many years.

    Would be curious why the change.
    Good question, it appears from the above post that they now have a single 4.5" discharge (750 gpm seems low?). Maybe this is reduced to 2.5" or 1.5" for the common stretches? From what I've read and understand, FDNY tends to stretch from difference engines rather than employ multiple lines from the same pump (for obvious reasons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801 View Post
    I could have sworn all new engines to the 2,000 gpm pump spec carry at least four lengths of suction...
    The new Seagraves do. The older ones only have 2 on them. There are still many of them left. That is what I meant by at least 2 lengths.

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    Good point. Sorry about that.
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    Do you think that KME Fire Apparatus can make any kind of profit on these pumpers, selling them to the City of New York, at a cost of $550,000 each. When the Seagrave bid was $750,000 each and Ferrara, came in at $650,000 and with a 5 year warranty ?

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    My personal opinion- unless these things are bombproof, KME's gonna take a bath.

    That being said, Philadelphia still has some 1995 pumpers approaching 150-200,000 miles on the clocks in reserve status. Just food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickieMac24 View Post
    Identical to the last Seagraves, there are more than enough discharges to maintain 2000GPM, a discharge capacity of 3125GPM using the NPFA estimates.

    5 - 2.5" (250GPM ea. 2 left panel, 2 right panel, 1 bumper)
    2 - 4.5" (750GPM ea. 1 bumper, 1 rear)
    1 - 3" (375GPM ea. deck gun)
    The pictures aren't so great. All I initially saw on the front was the intake. I can't make out much of anything on the rear with the exception of the 2 1/2" discharge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    ......Philadelphia still has some 1995 pumpers approaching 150-200,000 miles on the clocks in reserve status. Just food for thought.
    Sounds like the mileage on some of our front line stuff.
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    I meant to post these last week. Not the best, but something. Seagrave and KME.





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    Those pictures (top one in particular) bring up a question: Why are so many front suctions above the bumper requiring two 90 degree elbows right from the start? I'd think the cut in as is shown on the drivers side would be a much better solution, especially given the trouble had getting capacity through the front suction?

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    My guess, for NY's situation, is they use it more for hydrant connections than drafting. The swivel gives them a bit more flexibility and the loss from the bends is not enough to cause an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    My guess, for NY's situation, is they use it more for hydrant connections than drafting. The swivel gives them a bit more flexibility and the loss from the bends is not enough to cause an issue.
    Makes sense for many FD's with a decent pressurized water system and SOG's that require each engine grab it's own hydrant.

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    Yup, you'll notice that none of my engines have the swivel and extra bends.
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    The swivel basically allows you to spot the apparatus in more positions to connect to the hydrant without kinking the hose.
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