The Little Birdy has whispered yet again.......

[FWDbuff]

........into my ear, sweet nothings of the latest NYCDOP RFP for 90+ pumpers for FDNY:

-Three year contract, approx 50 the first year, 35 the second year, and 5 the third year....

-In ascending order cost-wise, the three bidders were:

-KME
-Ferrara
-Seagrave

And yes, the 5-year warranty still remains in the specifications and is still a sticking point.

[FyredUp]

Are these all 2000gpm pumpers too?

[IronsMan53]

Are these all 2000gpm pumpers too?

Yes they are.

[Pumper Guy]

I really think people should get their facts straight before going off about something they don't have the slightest clue about!!!

People's lives must be that boring that they feel the need to come on forums and spread NOT CORRECT information and speculation. I am sure no matter who gets the FDNY contract that that respective builder will issue a FACTUAL press release containing all the details of the bid award.

[CaptOldTimer]

I really think people should get their facts straight before going off about something they don't have the slightest clue about!!!

People's lives must be that boring that they feel the need to come on forums and spread NOT CORRECT information and speculation. I am sure no matter who gets the FDNY contract that that respective builder will issue a FACTUAL press release containing all the details of the bid award.

Forget it, you aren't worth getting on.

[Pumper Guy]

Forums are nothing new to me, I just usually refrain from posting. I have learned that people's opinions mean absolutly NOTHING to me come the end of the day. I answer to no one on here or any other forum. I was simply pointing out that people always seem to jump to conclusions and run their mouths without knowing even 1/4 of the facts.

My 21 years in the fire service has been a very rewarding and safe experience and it has all be accomplished without air my dirty laundry on a forum. 1000's of posts doesn't make a good firefigher, training, dedication and desire make a good firefighter.

[jfTL41]

I imagine that the birdies name is Facebook since you cut and pasted from a posting on there...
Also NYC purchasing is done by DCAS not the Department of Probation (DOP).

[FWDbuff]

I imagine that the birdies name is Facebook since you cut and pasted from a posting on there...
Also NYC purchasing is done by DCAS not the Department of Probation (DOP).

I confirmed it first by calling an authority on FDNY apparatus, I am sure you can figure out whom that is. And I thought it was the "Dept of Procurement" my apologies.

[FWDbuff]

I really think people should get their facts straight before going off about something they don't have the slightest clue about!!!

Enlighten us- what exactly is inaccurate?

[Pumper Guy]

You tell me what is innaccurate, you seem to be the one who has secret "authorities" that know everything. Can you point me in the direction of an official document from teh FDNY?? Pehaps then we all can review the entire proposal.

[IronsMan53]

You tell me what is innaccurate, you seem to be the one who has secret "authorities" that know everything. Can you point me in the direction of an official document from teh FDNY?? Pehaps then we all can review the entire proposal.

I can't speak for FWD, but I saw the exact same info posted in another forum by a member who has an extensive history of being SPOT ON when it comes to FDNY's apparatus issues.

[BoxAlarm187]

I really think people should get their facts straight before going off about something they don't have the slightest clue about!!!

People's lives must be that boring that they feel the need to come on forums and spread NOT CORRECT information and speculation.

You tell me what is innaccurate, you seem to be the one who has secret "authorities" that know everything.

So is the OP's post inaccurate or not?

[Pumper Guy]

I would just like to see some sort of official document or press release. Nobody seems to be able to provide that. I keep hearing the same story....."info was posted on another forum...blah blah blah." Where is the proof??

The point is that people love to post inaccurate information just to see what kind of reaction they get. That is not fair the the City of New York, the firefighters or the apparatus manufacturers.

[GTRider245]

I would just like to see some sort of official document or press release. Nobody seems to be able to provide that. I keep hearing the same story....."info was posted on another forum...blah blah blah." Where is the proof??

The point is that people love to post inaccurate information just to see what kind of reaction they get. That is not fair the the City of New York, the firefighters or the apparatus manufacturers.

Actually the point is that you keep avoiding the question of whether or not your accusation of his information being factual is itself in fact correct.

[Pumper Guy]

Time will tell.......

[FWDbuff]

Cut-and-pasted directly from the New York City Firefighter Brotherhood Foundation's Facebook Page

"The bidding procedure for a new Three Year Requirement Contract order to build 2000 gpm pumpers for the FDNY, took place on Wednesday, February 22d. The total for the three year contract will be for 91 pumpers - 38 for the first year, 48 for the second year and 5 for the third year. The three firms bidding, in ascending order of price were KME, Ferrara and Seagrave. It will probably be a few weeks, while specification exceptions and other factors are examined, before a contract is actually awarded. A major part of the actual contract is the five year warranty required by FDNY. When this order is completed, FDNY will be able to replace all of their remaining 2002, 2003 and 2004 regular Seagrave 1000 gpm pumpers still in first line service. Previous contracts have been awarded recently to Seagrave for the building of seven 2000 gpm high-pressure pumpers and seven 1000 gpm rescue-pumpers (Squads)"

That is not fair the the City of New York, the firefighters or the apparatus manufacturers.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was such an emotional ordeal for you, perhaps you might find some benefit from some psychiatric counseling?

[RFDACM02]

If you don't like rumors I'd suggest staying away from any forums. If we're to only report official findings of fact, the number of threads would drop dramatically. Even if FWD's info was way of base (rarely the case) it shouldn't have any effect on anyone. You certainly seem to have exposed yourself as a sore bidder or tied into one. For what it's worth,, the same info was also posted in another forum I visit, after a post regarding Seagrave getting the bid for the new FDNY Squads.

[Pumper Guy]

Cut-and-pasted directly from the New York City Firefighter Brotherhood Foundation's Facebook Page

"The bidding procedure for a new Three Year Requirement Contract order to build 2000 gpm pumpers for the FDNY, took place on Wednesday, February 22d. The total for the three year contract will be for 91 pumpers - 38 for the first year, 48 for the second year and 5 for the third year. The three firms bidding, in ascending order of price were KME, Ferrara and Seagrave. It will probably be a few weeks, while specification exceptions and other factors are examined, before a contract is actually awarded. A major part of the actual contract is the five year warranty required by FDNY. When this order is completed, FDNY will be able to replace all of their remaining 2002, 2003 and 2004 regular Seagrave 1000 gpm pumpers still in first line service. Previous contracts have been awarded recently to Seagrave for the building of seven 2000 gpm high-pressure pumpers and seven 1000 gpm rescue-pumpers (Squads)"



I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was such an emotional ordeal for you, perhaps you might find some benefit from some psychiatric counseling?

You think that a charitable non-profit organization's Facebook account is a "official" FDNY source?? Get a grip!!

[Pumper Guy]

If you don't like rumors I'd suggest staying away from any forums. If we're to only report official findings of fact, the number of threads would drop dramatically. Even if FWD's info was way of base (rarely the case) it shouldn't have any effect on anyone. You certainly seem to have exposed yourself as a sore bidder or tied into one. For what it's worth,, the same info was also posted in another forum I visit, after a post regarding Seagrave getting the bid for the new FDNY Squads.

I have ZERO affliation with the FDNY or any manufacturer for your information. However now I will follow this matter to see who wins the bid and what the true facts are. Then I will come back here and see what all the "know it alls" have to say.

[BoxAlarm187]

Edited...question answered...