Pumper Specifications

[Bones42]

...the "Saber SLT" (the old Custom Contender) is built in Bradenton, FL. The Saber SLT is the same truck as the Custom Contender was. Same cab (built in Appleton), pump house and hose body. ...

and that way, Pierce can market it as a "new innovation".

[bvfd1927]

We just bought a pierce saber rescue engine with a Waterous 1500gpm pump 400HP engine 750g tank Husky 3 foam system 30g foam, 20 Kw generator, 6,000 watt light tower full height full depth compartments. two hydraulic reels in rear compartment, one reel in the front bumper. Total cost was $420,000. All custom cabs built by pierce are built in WI, our body was built in FL at the Brandenton plant and they did an outstanding job.

[Woodbridge]

We just bought a pierce saber rescue engine with a Waterous 1500gpm pump 400HP engine 750g tank Husky 3 foam system 30g foam, 20 Kw generator, 6,000 watt light tower full height full depth compartments. two hydraulic reels in rear compartment, one reel in the front bumper. Total cost was $420,000. All custom cabs built by pierce are built in WI, our body was built in FL at the Brandenton plant and they did an outstanding job.

Do you know if the Saber chassis cab is available with " Barrier Doors " for 2012 models, a sales rep told me last year that they will become a option ? Also your department has got a nice rescue pumper for that $ price !!

[gunnyv]

What are "barrier doors"?

[FIREMECH1]

dammit... I had a post that would make some very unhappy with what we paid for, for a custom, with better specs. Instead, I'll say this....

NEVER, EVER, put a EVS3000 behind an engine that is making more than 375HP (by today's engine ratings). You WILL, regret it.

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[ctxffman]

Just recently a couple of depts around central Texas have purchased Custom Contenders, labeled as a Contender. A local metro dept went from Quantums to Contenders. Sure it has to do with money.
Another local dept just ordered a Crimson pumper for $626,000. A parade piece for sure. Prices for these trucks is getting crazy.

[BoxAlarm187]

What are "barrier doors"?

Doors that have an open step well at the bottom: Such as Evantson, IL.

NEVER, EVER, put a EVS3000 behind an engine that is making more than 375HP (by today's engine ratings). You WILL, regret it.

Why do you say that?

[gunnyv]

Doors that have an open step well at the bottom: Such as Evantson, IL.

Thanks for the example. Now, if someone will excuse my ignorance, what is the advantage to a barrier door? Is it high clearance or less likely to incur damage? All I see is the step exposed to the weather, so likely to be slippery due to rain/ice/snow/slush.

[BoxAlarm187]

Some departments that spend a lot of time on the interstate prefer them to clear guardrails and jersey walls. Other's don't like them for the exact reason you mentioned.

[bvfd1927]

I don't know about the barrier doors, Thanks, one thing i left out about the truck is we got the hydraulic ladder rack with one hard suction on the rack and one on the driver side. It also included i believe 7 or 8 adjustable shelves and the gear grid system on driver side high side compartment, passenger side high side has a tilt down tray. here is a link to a picture.
http://www.firenews.net/3283/boiling...s-fire-rescue/

[firepundit]

dammit... I had a post that would make some very unhappy with what we paid for, for a custom, with better specs. Instead, I'll say this....

NEVER, EVER, put a EVS3000 behind an engine that is making more than 375HP (by today's engine ratings). You WILL, regret it.

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Out of curiosity, why? Allison is currently rating the EVS3000 at 450HP max input and 1250 torque. Since torque is the weak spot in a tranny, could that be your problem? Or, are you encountering the EVS3500 wide ratio at 330 and 985 respectively?

What engines are giving you fits?

[FIREMECH1]

Originally Posted by FIREMECH1 :
NEVER, EVER, put a EVS3000 behind an engine that is making more than 375HP (by today's engine ratings). You WILL, regret it.


Why do you say that?

It is like putting a GM Turbo350 behind a 500HP engine, when you should have put in a Turbo 400.

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[FIREMECH1]

Out of curiosity, why? Allison is currently rating the EVS3000 at 450HP max input and 1250 torque. Since torque is the weak spot in a tranny, could that be your problem? Or, are you encountering the EVS3500 wide ratio at 330 and 985 respectively?

What engines are giving you fits?

2 Volley stations I do work for have each, a 400HP and 435HP with the EVS3000. One has snapped the input shaft on the 3000, and the other just plain cooked the friction discs... TWICE!!!! Both are running ISM Cummins for engines. We play the torque game, and only use the 4000's.

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[npfd801]

2 Volley stations I do work for have each, a 400HP and 435HP with the EVS3000. One has snapped the input shaft on the 3000, and the other just plain cooked the friction discs... TWICE!!!! Both are running ISM Cummins for engines. We play the torque game, and only use the 4000's.

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Who put ISMs with that trans? I've always seen an ISL with around 400 hp listed as okay with the 3000, but not something with as much torque as an ISM. Huh.

[Bones42]

Wheelbase: 210”
Travel Height: 10’-5”+/-2”
Travel Length: 34’-5”
Cab / Chassis: E-ONE Quest® extended cab w/ 12” vista roof
Extruded aluminum cab structure
Air conditioning, Bostrom® seating for seven (7)
Engine: 2007 Cummins® ISM 500 HP w/ Jacob’s compression brake
Transmission: Allison ® EVS 4000
Front / Rear Axles: Meritor® FL943 21,000 lbs front, Meritor® RS-25-160 27,000 lbs rear.
Brakes: Meritor® EX225 17” disc front and rear, ABS
Alternator: 320A Leece Neville®
Pump: Hale® QMAX 2,000 GPM single stage
Plumbing: Akron valves with stainless steel manifolds and piping
1600 Hpro/Foam Pro foam system
Compartments: Full height driver and officer with approx. 269 Cu. Ft. of compartment storage, R∙O•M roll-up doors
Enclosed wheel well storage for (7) SCBA bottles
Hosebed: 95 Cu. Ft.
Ladder Storage: Officer side 2-arm ladder rack
Tank: 780 gallon polypropylene water tank (750 water, 30 foam)
Class1 Multiplex electrical system, Vehicle Data Recorder with CrewGuard occupant detection system.
Federal Signal PA300R siren with ES100 speaker and Federal Signal® pedestal mounted Q2B siren

20KW PTO generator, 6000w light tower, 6 1000w floodlights, 1000' 5" hose, 1000' 2 1/2" hose, 28' ladder, 14' roof ladder, 16' roof ladder, 2 hard sleeves.

~ $530k

http://www.e-one.com/merchandise/eon...cks.htm?id=123

[ChiefDog]

Who put ISMs with that trans? I've always seen an ISL with around 400 hp listed as okay with the 3000, but not something with as much torque as an ISM. Huh.

I agree. I did not think that added up so I went and surfed around a bit...

Off Cummins Site for ISM '07 motor.

ISM 435** 435 1550 @ 1200 2100
ISM 400** 400 1550 @ 1200 2100

Off Allison site
http://www.allisontransmission.com/d...t/specs_HS.pdf

I think the ISM would have needed the 4000 series transmission right out of the box.

[firepundit]

I think the ISM would have needed the 4000 series transmission right out of the box.

I totally agree.

The question remains, who mated them up?

[Rescue101]

Have Cummins change the Engine ECM to the "soft pedal" programming. We have it on our E1 Ism 380 w Allison 3000. You can cram your foot thru the floorboard,it WILL NOT give you the 380 until you get rolling. Then it will continually ramp up until you get all 380. That being said, anything over 330 here WILL have the 4000.

[Rescue101]

CD, ISM's could be had from 330-350 all the way up to just around 500hp. So they don't necessarily warrant the 4000. Above 350 I would STRONGLY advise it.

[FIREMECH1]

CD, ISM's could be had from 330-350 all the way up to just around 500hp. So they don't necessarily warrant the 4000. Above 350 I would STRONGLY advise it.

THANK YOU!!!!

As to who mated the EVS3000 up to a an ISM??? Quite a few have for reasons as follows. Cost... under 400HP, etc. I've seen several of them, and seen the aftermath. Some haven't problems... yet. But when they start making more that 1-2 runs a month, they will.

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