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    See post 38. If Cummins KNOWS you'll be mating a 350 PLUS to a 3000,they WILL adjust programming to extend tranny life. We have it on our E1 and it works GREAT! Saves on axles too.


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    How much more will a EVS 4000 cost over a EVS 3000 tranny on a new apparatus ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    How much more will a EVS 4000 cost over a EVS 3000 tranny on a new apparatus ?
    I have a spec listing it at $13,250.

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    I was gonna say around 10-12K so I was CLOSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rescue101 View Post
    See post 38. If Cummins KNOWS you'll be mating a 350 PLUS to a 3000,they WILL adjust programming to extend tranny life. We have it on our E1 and it works GREAT! Saves on axles too.
    Used to be called the "soft shift option" primarily for bus applications so the transmission shift didn't jerk the passengers all over the place. But is commonly applied to fire apparatus as well.

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    Maybe it's just me, but I am not impressed by the Contender/Saber chassis.

    I work on a few and have seen a few "what were they thinking" items on the truck.

    -They use hose barbs and carburetor fuel line to plumb coolant to the turbo. After about a year of this the lines get brittle as dry twigs and snap, making quite the coolant leak.

    -Questionable electrical.. roughly 150 amps junctioned on #10 machine screw studs on the large relay bank on the center tunnel. Has caused no start and warning light issues.

    -Cheap switch gear

    This is just my opinion and observation from a technician's perspective.
    If you can't fix it with a hammer, you have an electrical problem.

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    Back in my former company we have a 2008 Contender. I just saw that barrier doors are available on the Saber chassis now as well. We have them on our E06 Enforcer and it is quite nice. Also you can get a tandem axle on a Saber.

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    Here is the barrier door on the Saber at FDIC.
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    We finally drank the kool-aid and switched to Pierce this last purchase (Please insert amazment and condesending comments given my previous rants about Pierce) . We bought 2-pumpers with the following specs with delivery around mid-August:

    Impel chassis with BARRIER DOORS (Ha)
    Cummins ISL9 450hp with Jacobs Brake
    Allison EVS-3000 5-speed automatic
    5-Position David Clark intercom system
    Hale 2000gpm single-stage pumps
    Hale manual MIV's
    Husky Foam system (Class "B" drafting)
    750gwt
    40 gallons Class "A" (to all pre-connects and deck gun)
    Front bumper 2-1/2" discharge
    3-Crosslays
    1-2-1/2" pre-connect
    1000" of 5" LDH with Storz
    600' of 6" LDH with Storz
    Aluminum body with hydraulic ladder rack
    Elkhart remote control deck gun
    3-pull-out trays
    Swing out tool board
    Vertical tool boards
    8-Shelves
    2-110V outlets in 2-compartments
    Custom plastic fabrication for tool mounting, radio holders, etc.
    All LED compartment, hose bed, under body and crosslay lighting
    Whelen LED floodlights (6-PFP-2 and 2-PFP-1)
    200' 12V cord reel (no generator)

    Cost was $527,024.00 each thru HGAC and with 100% pre-payment discount factored in

    Be safe
    Last edited by STATION2; 05-01-2012 at 03:26 PM.
    Stay low and move it in.

    Be safe.


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    Well, that's about $200K per rig above my budget. Good thing we don't want much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STATION2 View Post
    We finally drank the kool-aid and switched to Pierce this last purchase (Please insert amazment and condesending comments given my previous rants about Pierce) . We bought 2-pumpers with the following specs with delivery around mid-August:

    Impel chassis with BARRIER DOORS (Ha)
    Cummins ISL9 450hp with Jacobs Brake
    Allison EVS-3000 5-speed automatic
    5-Position David Clark intercom system
    Hale 2000gpm single-stage pumps
    Hale manual MIV's
    Husky Foam system (Class "B" drafting)
    750gwt
    40 gallons Class "A" (to all pre-connects and deck gun)
    Front bumper 2-1/2" discharge
    3-Crosslays
    1-2-1/2" pre-connect
    1000" of 5" LDH with Storz
    600' of 6" LDH with Storz
    Aluminum body with hydraulic ladder rack
    Elkhart remote control deck gun
    3-pull-out trays
    Swing out tool board
    Vertical tool boards
    8-Shelves
    2-110V outlets in 2-compartments
    Custom plastic fabrication for tool mounting, radio holders, etc.
    All LED compartment, hose bed, under body and crosslay lighting
    Whelen LED floodlights (6-PFP-2 and 2-PFP-1)
    200' 12V cord reel (no generator)

    Cost was $527,024.00 each thru HGAC and with 100% pre-payment discount factored in

    Be safe
    Will you be adding a portable generator for lighting or just use the vehicles 12 volt scene lights or brow lights?

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    No generator. Original spec had Harrison PTO generators but after seeing the LED floodlighting technology we eliminated the Wil-Burt light towers. This left the generator only to power the cord reel. At pre- build Pierce electrical engineers ran the load tests and said we could go with a 200' cord reel powered off the chassis. This cord reel will power a Whelen 6 amp LED portable floodlight which meets our needs.

    The 2-110V outlets will be powered by the shoreline to power 1-portable suction charger and 1-DeWalt battery charger.

    Be safe.
    Stay low and move it in.

    Be safe.


    Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by STATION2 View Post
    We finally drank the kool-aid and switched to Pierce this last purchase (Please insert amazment and condesending comments given my previous rants about Pierce) . We bought 2-pumpers with the following specs with delivery around mid-August:

    Impel chassis with BARRIER DOORS (Ha)
    Cummins ISL9 450hp with Jacobs Brake
    Allison EVS-3000 5-speed automatic
    5-Position David Clark intercom system
    Hale 2000gpm single-stage pumps
    Hale manual MIV's
    Husky Foam system (Class "B" drafting)
    750gwt
    40 gallons Class "A" (to all pre-connects and deck gun)
    Front bumper 2-1/2" discharge
    3-Crosslays
    1-2-1/2" pre-connect
    1000" of 5" LDH with Storz
    600' of 6" LDH with Storz
    Aluminum body with hydraulic ladder rack
    Elkhart remote control deck gun
    3-pull-out trays
    Swing out tool board
    Vertical tool boards
    8-Shelves
    2-110V outlets in 2-compartments
    Custom plastic fabrication for tool mounting, radio holders, etc.
    All LED compartment, hose bed, under body and crosslay lighting
    Whelen LED floodlights (6-PFP-2 and 2-PFP-1)
    200' 12V cord reel (no generator)

    Cost was $527,024.00 each thru HGAC and with 100% pre-payment discount factored in

    Be safe
    Sounds like nice engines...Ok, but not great price.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STATION2 View Post
    No generator. Original spec had Harrison PTO generators but after seeing the LED floodlighting technology we eliminated the Wil-Burt light towers. This left the generator only to power the cord reel. At pre- build Pierce electrical engineers ran the load tests and said we could go with a 200' cord reel powered off the chassis. This cord reel will power a Whelen 6 amp LED portable floodlight which meets our needs.

    The 2-110V outlets will be powered by the shoreline to power 1-portable suction charger and 1-DeWalt battery charger.

    Be safe.
    Along the same lines-we are specifying the LED scene lights in place of the generator run lights. We are leaving space above the pump house to mount a portable generator we already have to run the Circle-D lights on the interior. No breaker box or wiring to the rig, plug in direct to the generator as needed.

    They will also have the 110v to shore power in our EMS compartment, and plenty of 12v power ports in the cab.

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    Good point forgot....our apparatus committee went a little overboard on 12V plugs in the cab also. To power Tablets, cell phone chargers, etc.

    Come on Bones....not a good price? I was actually impressed they came in where they did. Now of course there is another $200K in loose equipment being bought, but for the rigs themselves I felt Pierce was fair with the pricing and at the end of the day, worked with the apparatus committee well answering questions, accomodating requests and being open to ideas like no generator but with a cord reel.
    Stay low and move it in.

    Be safe.


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    For a Pierce....a great price. For the specs themselves...probably could have had better prices with other manufacturers.

    We just did a rescue engine (not a Pierce)...7 man cab, probably real close on rest of the items, added 20k hydraulic generator, light tower, 12volt LED lighting and lighting powered by generator, inverter for 110 outlets run off shore-line or generator, only 1000' of 5" though. Was $535k.

    Pierce builds a very nice truck...my sister company has 2. In my area...they aren't normally the low/mid bid.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyv View Post
    Well, that's about $200K per rig above my budget. Good thing we don't want much.
    Hey gunnyv, what make and model apparatus are you getting for about $ 200k less than everyone posting on this topic ? even a program apparatus cost about $ 350,000 & up on a custom chassis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodbridge View Post
    Hey gunnyv, what make and model apparatus are you getting for about $ 200k less than everyone posting on this topic ? even a program apparatus cost about $ 350,000 & up on a custom chassis.
    Haven't gone to bid yet. We've gotten "ballpark" estimates based on preliminary meetings from a few for under $350K for what we want, based on Spartan/HME chassis. We don't want much-the biggest add on is an extended cab to store the EMS/ALS gear, which is about $10K.

    HGAC has a few program pumpers for under $300K listed.

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    i know of a 2000 gal 1500gpm pumper tanker being delivered for 314k on a IH commercial chassis. Add 60 k for a custom chassis you still only end up @375k.

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    $60K more? Might want to double that, at least, for the cost impact over a commercial chassis....at least from our committee research
    Stay low and move it in.

    Be safe.


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