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    Quote Originally Posted by BillST View Post
    What I want to know what is the freaking point of blue lights in the first place? They do not give you the legal right of way or make you exempt from any traffic laws so why even bother? Why assume anymore risk? I have never understood the "courtesy light" concept...
    In NJ it is no longer a courtesy light. You need to yield. True in a few states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillST View Post
    What I want to know what is the freaking point of blue lights in the first place? They do not give you the legal right of way or make you exempt from any traffic laws so why even bother? Why assume anymore risk? I have never understood the "courtesy light" concept...
    Precisely why they should be outlawed in the state of Pa. They cause more harm than they do any good......
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillST View Post
    What I want to know what is the freaking point of blue lights in the first place? They do not give you the legal right of way or make you exempt from any traffic laws so why even bother? Why assume anymore risk? I have never understood the "courtesy light" concept...
    Because in areas where blue lights are used, a goodly number of the residents (and thus the drivers) know what they mean (that a volunteer firefighter is responding to an emergency) and extend said courtesy.

    There aren't as many problems with them as some folks would like to believe there are. Anybody who's going to be stupid while running a blue light will probably be just as stupid without one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post

    There aren't as many problems with them as some folks would like to believe there are. Anybody who's going to be stupid while running a blue light will probably be just as stupid without one.
    There is a lot of truth in that statement. Blue lights (red lights, whatever) don't cause accidents. Idiots who never should have been allowed to run them in the first place do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    In NJ it is no longer a courtesy light. You need to yield. True in a few states.
    And it causes more confusion than ever. Cars pull over to let the blue light go by...and then the blue lighter sits at a traffic light, waiting for the light to change...and all traffic stops wondering what the heck is going on. Watched it happen a few times this past week.

    Why a car that can't exceed the speed limit needs to warn people (going the same speed limit) to move is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    And it causes more confusion than ever. Cars pull over to let the blue light go by...and then the blue lighter sits at a traffic light, waiting for the light to change...and all traffic stops wondering what the heck is going on. Watched it happen a few times this past week.

    Why a car that can't exceed the speed limit needs to warn people (going the same speed limit) to move is beyond me.
    I hear you.. I'm not a huge fan of the lights. I know that back when I ran with a blue light, I would shut it off at red lights.

    However, there are some instances where it can get you through traffic easier and some people do move over.

    The time it saves is probably not significant, but that could (arguably) be said for red lights as well.
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    The difference is the majority of people recognize a firetruck, ambulance or squad car running lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    Why a car that can't exceed the speed limit needs to warn people (going the same speed limit) to move is beyond me.
    You don't.. if the other cars are going the speed limit. My response takes me right past the local wrinkle ranch and to them the traffic speed limit is as inapproachable as the speed of light. Of course it's this same demographic that can't see the blue light through the back window anyway.. so really it's a lose/lose.

    Full disclosure: I used to have, and use, the bluelight in my old truck. It never transferred when I bought my new one. There have been a few times where it would have been useful but by and large I don't miss it.

    I'll say there are valid reasons for emergency lights in POV.. and just as many invalid, confusing, or embarrassing ones.
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    I use a blue light, I have a dash light that I bought used. I live in a unique area where, while it is considered rural, we have a high population density and it probably doubles in the vacation months.

    anyway..Does the blue light save me time? considering my drive time to the FH, more often then not I'd say yes. This was more important before when I wasn't qualified on any of the apparatus. the extra 30 seconds or a minute I saved is the difference between making a truck, and sitting at the FH.

    Does it cause confusion? I don't think so. If I don't make the truck and pass it en route, or pass a police,ems or chief's vehicle en route I always turn my light off so as not to confuse the people.

    Call it what you will, but maybe on a Tuesday at 1pm when you get that call that sounds like BS and not a lot of people show up and you go with your blue light that minute or 30 seconds you save might be the difference in someone else's life.

    Saying that blue lights are for whackers or whatever is like saying guns kill people, people don't kill people.

    Education on part of the DOT to new/existing drivers, community outreach/awareness programs and not giving EVERYONE a blue light..would make things a lot easier.

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    The dept plate is a great idea, should solve your issues. As far as blue lights go, don't bother. They really don't help that much, despite what some people claim. Adrenalin does funny things to people.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    the extra 30 seconds or a minute I saved is the difference between making a truck, and sitting at the FH.
    Minute? 30 seconds? How long is your drive to the station where you are saving that much time?! I'd be surprised if you actually saved more than 1 or 2 seconds with a blue light, unless you're also going through traffic lights and speeding excessively. I doubt even our engines save a full minute responding lights/sirens.

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    I live..about 4 miles from our station. I travel on a state road, with a high volume of traffic during early work hours..7-9am and late work hours 3-6pm..speed limit is 45..50-55 is safe and acceptable..but sometimes people go 35-40 really slows you down. It all works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    speed limit is 45..50-55 is safe and acceptable..but sometimes people go 35-40 really slows you down. It all works for me
    Responding to a call? If the speed limit is 45, then a maximum of 45 is acceptable -- 50-55 is not.

    You want to speed on your own time? That's up to you. On FD time, I strongly suggest you obey the law...
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    If you do the speed limit on most of our roads, grandma will pass ya.

    Not saying drive like a nut, but 5 mph over the limit is not the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Not saying drive like a nut, but 5 mph over the limit is not the problem.
    Unless you're wearing a big sign that says, "Hey! I'm with the fire department! Lookatme!!!" aka a blue light special.

    If you plan to speed on the way to the firehouse or play fast and loose with any other traffic regulations, better you do it without a blue light than with one, IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    If you do the speed limit on most of our roads, grandma will pass ya.

    Not saying drive like a nut, but 5 mph over the limit is not the problem.
    Same here. I live a dozen miles outside of our county seat. You can always tell when somebody has been doing the speed limit since clearing the city limts - there's a long line of cars behind them.

    Out here in the sticks, you're in more danger from the deer if you're running 65 in a 55 than anything else. If anything, there's the outside possibility that the blue light might scare 'em out of the road before you can hit 'em.
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