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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Like the opinion of a hate mongering, blowhard, drug abuser, who has been divorced multiple times while rejecting same sex marriage as destroying the family in America, means anything anyways.

    Rush is like every other right wing radio personna. They count on people being agitated, and too stupid, or lazy, to do their own research on the latest topic, to maintain an audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Like the opinion of a hate mongering, blowhard, drug abuser, who has been divorced multiple times while rejecting same sex marriage as destroying the family in America, means anything anyways.

    Rush is like every other right wing radio personna. They count on people being agitated, and too stupid, or lazy, to do their own research on the latest topic, to maintain an audience.
    Another Obamunist accusing a conservative of drug abuse. It would be funny where it not so sad.

    I challenge you to substantiate your comments on Rush and gay marriage. He's on 3 hours a day, 5 days a week, it shouldn't be too hard. And you accuse those on the right of being too lazy or stupid to do research.

    Limbaugh hates gays so much, that he paid one $1,000,000 to sing at his wedding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Like the opinion of a hate mongering, blowhard, drug abuser, who has been divorced multiple times while rejecting same sex marriage as destroying the family in America, means anything anyways.

    Rush is like every other right wing radio personna. They count on people being agitated, and too stupid, or lazy, to do their own research on the latest topic, to maintain an audience.
    So you really beieve that same sex marriage is not a bad thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Another Obamunist accusing a conservative of drug abuse. It would be funny where it not so sad.

    I challenge you to substantiate your comments on Rush and gay marriage. He's on 3 hours a day, 5 days a week, it shouldn't be too hard. And you accuse those on the right of being too lazy or stupid to do research.

    Limbaugh hates gays so much, that he paid one $1,000,000 to sing at his wedding.
    Sure he's no drug abuser...I guess you don't watch the news. It was all over about his drug use.

    Which wedding? There have been so many for this true believer in "Good old family" values.

    He's a hate monger under the guise of his idiotic "good old boy" humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    So you really beieve that same sex marriage is not a bad thing?
    Why does it matter to you? Frankly, it is none of my business who falls in love with who and if they want a legal committment to protect their rights then I have no problem with it at all.

    Why are you opposed to it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    So you really beieve that same sex marriage is not a bad thing?
    I don't believe same sex marriage is a bad thing. Why, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I don't believe same sex marriage is a bad thing. Why, do you?
    Yes, I do, and I oppose it, and any candidate that supports it.

    Marrige is between a man and a woman. Period.

    If they want to live together, that's their call, but I absolutly refuse to institutionalize it by allowing them to be married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Yes, I do, and I oppose it, and any candidate that supports it.

    Marrige is between a man and a woman. Period.

    If they want to live together, that's their call, but I absolutly refuse to institutionalize it by allowing them to be married.
    WHY do you oppose it? Why would you deny same sex partners the same legal protection as hetrosexual partners? If it is the nonsense that same sex partners can't have a lasting relationship that is frankly even beneath your usual ignorance. I have a lesbian sister that has been with the same partner for over 15 years. Further if that is your reason how about the better than 50% divorce rate of hetrosexual couples? If it is some nonsensical Biblical reason then I can't debate that with you other than to say that religion, while good for some people of faith, is also responsible for a good portion of the misery of the world. Including mainstream Christianity with their history of shunning, abusing and killing of those different than themselves.

    Clearly, it is as simple a case of civil rights for Gays and Lesbians as it was for Blacks. We need to end the idea that it is okay to have second class citizens in this country. If we don't all have equal rights then all of us are subject to discrimination depending on who is in power at that moment in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    WHY do you oppose it? Why would you deny same sex partners the same legal protection as hetrosexual partners? If it is the nonsense that same sex partners can't have a lasting relationship that is frankly even beneath your usual ignorance. I have a lesbian sister that has been with the same partner for over 15 years. Further if that is your reason how about the better than 50% divorce rate of hetrosexual couples? If it is some nonsensical Biblical reason then I can't debate that with you other than to say that religion, while good for some people of faith, is also responsible for a good portion of the misery of the world. Including mainstream Christianity with their history of shunning, abusing and killing of those different than themselves.

    Clearly, it is as simple a case of civil rights for Gays and Lesbians as it was for Blacks. We need to end the idea that it is okay to have second class citizens in this country. If we don't all have equal rights then all of us are subject to discrimination depending on who is in power at that moment in time.
    Yes, it is my religion.

    And yes, you certainly have the right to your opinion on this subject, especuially since the issue involves a family member. Your opinion is not wrong, as mine is not right. But it is something that I could never support, much like the abortion issue, based on my religious convictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Yes, I do, and I oppose it, and any candidate that supports it.

    Marrige is between a man and a woman. Period.

    If they want to live together, that's their call, but I absolutly refuse to institutionalize it by allowing them to be married.
    Nice to know that you don't believe in freedom for all Americans. Just the ones that suit you.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Yes, it is my religion.

    And yes, you certainly have the right to your opinion on this subject, especuially since the issue involves a family member. Your opinion is not wrong, as mine is not right. But it is something that I could never support, much like the abortion issue, based on my religious convictions.
    More proof that religions require one to acquiesce to an external dogma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Yes, it is my religion.

    And yes, you certainly have the right to your opinion on this subject, especuially since the issue involves a family member. Your opinion is not wrong, as mine is not right. But it is something that I could never support, much like the abortion issue, based on my religious convictions.
    The reality is neither of the circumstances that you mention have any personal affect on your day to day life. Yet you would presume to control other's personal lives with your old tired rhetoric.

    There are far to many people that can't run their own lives in the model they wish to yet they have no problem forcing their beliefs on others. There is an old saying from the Wiccans that says "As ye harm none, Do as ye will..." If more people lived that the world would be a MUCH safer and happier place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Sure he's no drug abuser...I guess you don't watch the news. It was all over about his drug use.
    The "whoosh" sound was my point going right over your head. I DID NOT SAY THAT RUSH NEVER ABUSED DRUGS. President Zero is a known former drug abuser, same as Rush Limbaugh. Anything you attribute to Rush based on his drug abuse, is also directed towards Obama, G.W. Bush, Grover Cleveland, Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, Sigmund Freud, Bill Gates, Ulysses Grant, and so and so forth.

    If you're going to dismiss the opinions of every drug abuser, you'll have very few opinions left to ponder.
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    Which wedding? There have been so many for this true believer in "Good old family" values.
    You dodge the question. Show me where he said that gay marriage is destroying the family in America.
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    He's a hate monger under the guise of his idiotic "good old boy" humor.
    Most decidedly not. The key point of his program is that he illustrates absurdity with absurdity. Most people are just too shallow to recognize it. Clearly you are not a Limbaugh listener, but rather one who relies on others' representation of what Limbaugh says. Yet you criticize others for not doing their own research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    The "whoosh" sound was my point going right over your head. I DID NOT SAY THAT RUSH NEVER ABUSED DRUGS. President Zero is a known former drug abuser, same as Rush Limbaugh. Anything you attribute to Rush based on his drug abuse, is also directed towards Obama, G.W. Bush, Grover Cleveland, Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, Sigmund Freud, Bill Gates, Ulysses Grant, and so and so forth.

    Yet your hypocrite hero has championed harsh penalties for drug abusers and shocker, avoided penalties for his own. Well other than the side effect of going deaf.

    If you're going to dismiss the opinions of every drug abuser, you'll have very few opinions left to ponder. You dodge the question. Show me where he said that gay marriage is destroying the family in America.

    He hammers gays at every opportunity...Remember my boy lollipo?


    Most decidedly not. The key point of his program is that he illustrates absurdity with absurdity. Most people are just too shallow to recognize it. Clearly you are not a Limbaugh listener, but rather one who relies on others' representation of what Limbaugh says. Yet you criticize others for not doing their own research.

    Actually I used to be a fairly regular listener to Rush. I found the way he makes his points childish, idiotic and mean spirited. I recognize him for what he is. The latest of the talking heads that keep an audience by always riling them up over something and keeping them agitated. Without that angry audience he would have been gone a long time ago. If anyone is shallow it is you blind followers who never learned to have an original thought of your own. You are nothing more than a dog on a leash regurgitating nonsense that your master has told you is right.
    I prefer to think for myself, make my own decisions and vote MY conscience not what some big mouth radio personality tells me to believe.
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    Yet your hypocrite hero has championed harsh penalties for drug abusers and shocker, avoided penalties for his own.
    Can you tell us what crimes Limbaugh was convicted of?
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    He hammers gays at every opportunity...Remember my boy lollipo?
    That doesn't substantiate what you accused him of saying. Show me where he said that gay marriage is destroying the family in America.
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    If anyone is shallow it is you blind followers who never learned to have an original thought of your own. You are nothing more than a dog on a leash regurgitating nonsense that your master has told you is right.
    You're unable to substantiate your accusations, so now you hurl attacks. The equivalent of a monkey crapping in his hand a flinging it. It's a sign of desperation.
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I prefer to think for myself, make my own decisions and vote MY conscience not what some big mouth radio personality tells me to believe.
    Sure you are, that's why you're inventing things to discredit someone. Find the sound clip or transcript of the part where he said that gay marriage is destroying the family in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
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    Can you tell us what crimes Limbaugh was convicted of?

    Convicted or not he was guilty and even you are smart enough to know that. Funny how your type always whines about people getting away with their crimes all the way up until it is one of your heroes that gets caught. The ultimate definition of hypocrisy.


    That doesn't substantiate what you accused him of saying.

    A three second search of Google brings up plenty of evidence on how Rush feels about Gays and Gay marriage. Elton john singing at his wedding is your proof he isn't anti-Gay? Elton John has widely known money problems and at one time was close to declaring bankruptcy...I am sure multi-millionare rush made it worth his while to sing.

    Show me where he said that gay marriage is destroying the family in America.

    He most certainly has come out against Gay marriage on more than one occasion. Again, google is your friend. The truth is his marriage FAILURES are more inline with what is destroying the family in America.

    You're unable to substantiate your accusations, so now you hurl attacks. The equivalent of a monkey crapping in his hand a flinging it. It's a sign of desperation. Sure you are, that's why you're inventing things to discredit someone. Find the sound clip or transcript of the part where he said that gay marriage is destroying the family in America.

    There is plenty of evidence on Google. Frankly, I find robotic drones like you boring as hell and face to face in a debate I would decimate you in a matter of minutes. All you do is spout prepared sound bites from your hero the zero, Rush Limbaugh. You are just another of the angry at your lot in life so you want to drag everyone down instead of raising everyone up. Nice work.
    Try to not be so angry... OH WAIT! You have to be to swallow the right wing's agenda!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Convicted or not he was guilty and even you are smart enough to know that. Funny how your type always whines about people getting away with their crimes all the way up until it is one of your heroes that gets caught. The ultimate definition of hypocrisy.
    America's legal system relies on a concept known as the presumption of innocence. One is considered innocent until proven guilty. So again I ask you, what crimes was Limbaugh convicted of? I find your tap dancing sessions to be amusing by the way.
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    A three second search of Google brings up plenty of evidence on how Rush feels about Gays and Gay marriage.
    Then how remarkable it is that you've yet to show where Rush asserts that same sex marriage as destroying the family in America. Instances of Limbaugh making fun of hair-brained-liberals who are homosexual does not substantiate your statement.
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    He most certainly has come out against Gay marriage on more than one occasion.
    Yep, he sure did. But so did President Zero. Does that mean that President Zero thought same sex marriage was destroying the family in America? Opposing same sex marriage versus accusing it of "destroying the family in America." They are two different things.
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    Again, google is your friend.
    It appears to be my friend, but not yours, as you haven't shown anything to substantiate you accusation.
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    I would decimate you in a matter of minutes.
    It's been 4 days now. What's your excuse?
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    All you do is spout prepared sound bites from your hero the zero, Rush Limbaugh.
    Were you born a liar, or did you have to work on it?
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    You are just another of the angry at your lot in life so you want to drag everyone down instead of raising everyone up. Nice work.
    I'm not angry at all about my "lot in life." My wife, and both our families are all happy, healthy, and gainfully employed. We have much to thankful for.
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    Try to not be so angry... OH WAIT! You have to be to swallow the right wing's agenda!!
    Let's review a list of names you've spewed on this page:
    1. hate mongering
    2. blowhard
    3. drug abuser
    4. idiotic
    5. ignorant
    6. big mouth radio personality
    7. "your type" (whatever that means)
    8. robotic drone
    9. boring as hell
    Yet somehow I'm the angry one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    The only prerequisites for the conservative agenda is to think, and to have a desire to preserve individual liberties. If one lacks those qualities, then it's pretty hard to understand.
    Oh...the irony of that statement given the official GOP platform opposes gay marriage. It seems you only believe in liberty as long it fits a certain definition.

    Given the anger you exude in your posts, it's obvious you're not happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I prefer to think for myself, make my own decisions and vote MY conscience not what some big mouth radio personality tells me to believe.
    Yes, I listen to Rush. I listen to Hannity and O'Reilly too.

    But I also listen to and watch PBS. I watch all the Sunday morning shows - including liberal NBC, ABC and CBS.

    So much for just listening to one big mouth tellling me what to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Yes, I listen to Rush. I listen to Hannity and O'Reilly too.

    But I also listen to and watch PBS. I watch all the Sunday morning shows - including liberal NBC, ABC and CBS.

    So much for just listening to one big mouth tellling me what to believe.
    Just because you listen to them doesn't mean you understand what they are saying. You've proven your inability to comprehend basic information for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Oh...the irony of that statement given the official GOP platform opposes gay marriage. It seems you only believe in liberty as long it fits a certain definition.
    Each person has the liberty to marry someone of the opposite sex. Nothing discriminatory about that, it applies to every citizen. Homosexual is not a protected class of the Civil Rights act, but no rational person should expect a liberal to know that since so many Democrats opposed it's passage.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Given the anger you exude in your posts, it's obvious you're not happy.
    Debunking liberal lies with truth is now considered anger. And let's not forget who started calling who names first in these forums.

    BTW, I hope "Butt Kickin's" are covered under Obamacare, because after his debate performance, he'll need it. He performed better against Eastwood.



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