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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Each person has the liberty to marry someone of the opposite sex. Nothing discriminatory about that, it applies to every citizen. Homosexual is not a protected class of the Civil Rights act, but no rational person should expect a liberal to know that since so many Democrats opposed it's passage.Debunking liberal lies with truth is now considered anger.
    Regardless, you still believe in freedom only for those who fit your parochial view. It is discriminatory in that your definition excludes an entire group of people who don't fit your particular mold.

    Using your logic there was no discrimination till the Civil Rights Act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Oh...the irony of that statement given the official GOP platform opposes gay marriage. It seems you only believe in liberty as long it fits a certain definition.
    Each person has the liberty to marry someone of the opposite sex. Nothing discriminatory about that, it applies to every citizen. Homosexual is not a protected class of the Civil Rights Act, but no rational person should expect a liberal to know that since so many Democrats opposed it's passage.
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    Given the anger you exude in your posts, it's obvious you're not happy.
    Debunking liberal lies with truth is now considered anger. And let's not forget who started calling who names first in these forums.

    BTW, I hope "Butt Kickin's" are covered under Obamacare, because after his debate performance, he'll need it. He performed better against Eastwood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Each person has the liberty to marry someone of the opposite sex. Nothing discriminatory about that, it applies to every citizen. Homosexual is not a protected class of the Civil Rights Act, but no rational person should expect a liberal to know that since so many Democrats opposed it's passage.
    Regardless, you still believe in freedom only for those who fit your parochial view. It is discriminatory in that your definition excludes an entire group of people who don't fit your particular mold.

    Using your logic there was no discrimination till the Civil Rights Act.

    Know what I like most about you moonbat? I live rent free right between your ears.

    I can make this thread go on as long as I want thanks to you. You proved that when you responded about nine times to my last post where I cut you loose.
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    txgp17,

    Debunk this:

    Romney wants to end women's control of their own reproductive rights:
    1) End ALL abortion even in the cases of rape or incest
    2) Eliminating Planned Parenthood
    3) Ending insurance coverage for birth control

    Romney/Ryan want to modify SS and Medicare, through cuts and privatization

    Romney/Ryan want to increase tax cuts for the wealthy, who will make that difference up? DUH! The working man and woman will, there is no other choice.

    Romney has hidden parts of his wealth in offshore banks to avoid taxes.


    Also a curious question for you...WHY is Paul Ryan running for relection to congress if he believes that his party will win the whitehouse? Things that make you go hmmm...

    By the way, unemployment dropped below 8%...Golly what a bad break for the right wing!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    By the way, unemployment dropped below 8%...Golly what a bad break for the right wing!!
    In planet wingnuttia (where moonbats live) is a lower unemployment rate a negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Regardless, you still believe in freedom only for those who fit your parochial view. It is discriminatory in that your definition excludes an entire group of people who don't fit your particular mold.
    Everyone has the freedom to marry one person of the opposite sex. Where do liberals draw the line?

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Using your logic there was no discrimination till the Civil Rights Act.
    Marriage is a union under God, and being so means the government shouldn’t have a hand in it. I’m all for civil unions, for everyone, under the government. But calling Adam & Steve’s commitment to each other a Marriage is blasphemy.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Know what I like most about you moonbat? I live rent free right between your ears.
    In your dreams, you’re just the epitome of liberal ignorance and debunking your lies with reality brings me pleasure. But you’re getting close to Øbama’s level narcissism, I’ll give you that.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I can make this thread go on as long as I want thanks to you. You proved that when you responded about nine times to my last post where I cut you loose.
    Reality never sets in with you, even with repetition. As I’ve stated in the past (firehouse.com/forums/t110147-7/#post1095456):

    It takes a lot of typing to refute your incessant mendacity. But given your inability to tell the difference between 1 and 3 trillion dollars, and your inability to use a calendar, and your lack of understanding of budget deficits, no one would expect much more from you.
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    txgp17,
    Debunk this:
    You haven’t substantiated your allegations against Limbaugh yet,
    and now you’re moving on to topics even easier to debunk.
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Romney wants to end women's control of their own reproductive rights:
    No, they want to end the government’s action of forcing others to pay for women’s contraception. No one is stopping them from paying for contraception on their own, or for other people choosing to spend their money on someone else's contraception.
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    1) End ALL abortion even in the cases of rape or incest
    Where on Earth do you get your facts from? The evidence against this is overwhelming. (Google: romney abortion rape)

    August 27, 2012 via CBS News: "My position has been clear throughout this campaign," Romney said. "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother."

    You berate me for not using Google to substantiate your libel against Limbaugh, but you're too inept or lazy to do it on Romney's stance on abortion.
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    2) Eliminating Planned Parenthood
    No, they want to eliminate Federal Government funding for abortions through PP. PP gets lots of funding from other places, Romeny doesn't want taxpayer money funding abortions. Again, you fail at using google to clarify facts.

    Liberals tried the same tactic with Bush on stem cell research. Bush never banned stem cell research, he just limited Federal funding for NEW stem cell research. But like most liberals, you expect someone else to do the work for you: The National Institutes of Health resource for stem cell research
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    3) Ending insurance coverage for birth control
    The DO NOT want to end insurance coverage for birth control. They want to stop the government from forcing insurance providers to cover it. If an insurance provider desires to sell a policy with or without such coverage, it’s between them and the customer. Liberals never cease in twisting words into saying something that doesn’t jive with reality.

    And why do liberals always absolve people of responsibility? Adults who don’t want to get pregnant can avoid getting pregnant by not having sex, and that doesn’t cost them anything. Why must others be forced to subsidize their sex lives? This obviously excludes cases of rape.


    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Romney/Ryan want to modify SS and Medicare, through cuts and privatization
    But they only want to modify it for future retirees, those people who have time to plan and adapt to future changes. Social Security is a government run ponzi scheme. Without modification it will end sooner than later. Øbama has done more to reduce SS benefits than anyone in history. By engaging in Keynesian economics, he had devalued our currency, reducing the buying power of SS recipients on fixed incomes.
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    Romney/Ryan want to increase tax cuts for the wealthy, who will make that difference up? DUH! The working man and woman will, there is no other choice.
    This is a just a cliché that liberals repeat like a talking parrot. Even JFK understood that lower tax rates produce economic growth and even higher tax revenue. Lower tax rates do not equal lower revenues.

    Higher income earners already pay a disproportionate share of tax revenues. Lowering their tax rates increases economic activity.
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    Romney has hidden parts of his wealth in offshore banks to avoid taxes.
    If it's hidden, then how do you know about it? And if it's illegal, why isn't the IRS investigating?

    Democrats have been trying to paint Romney as some sort of evil greedy Wall Street tax evader. Romney wisely kept silent, letting them bloviate themselves into a frenzy. Until he had PricewaterhouseCoopers release a notarized statement of his taxes over the last 20 years.

    In the last 20 years, the Romneys gave to charity an average of 13.45% of their adjusted gross income. In 2011, they gave almost 30% to charity, but only claimed 56% on their taxes, meaning they paid taxes on the remaining 44%, which they didn’t have to.

    How come liberals didn’t oppose rich men running for President until 2012? John Kerry’s wealth is near equal to Romney’s, but Democrats nor Republicans protested it in 2004. And if you include his wife’s wealth, Kerry is one of the richest men to ever run for President.
    Exactly when did liberals become so opposed to rich men running for President?

    Also, Kerry docked his 76’ luxury yacht in Rhode Island to avoid paying Massachusetts higher tax rate, despite voting many times himself to raise taxes.
    Where is the liberal outrage on that? [crickets]
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Also a curious question for you...WHY is Paul Ryan running for relection to congress if he believes that his party will win the whitehouse? Thongs that make you go hmmm...
    Why did DEMOCRAT Joe Lieberman run for Senate AND Vice-President in 2000? Why did DEMOCRAT Lloyd Bentsen run for Senate AND Vice-President in 1988? Why did Øbama resign from the Senate on November 16, 2008, instead of resigning BEFORE the election?

    What ever fault you apply to Ryan on this, you must also apply to Lieberman, Bentsen, and Øbama.
    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    By the way, unemployment dropped below 8%...Golly what a bad break for the right wing!!
    Bravo. But we created fewer jobs in September than in August, and fewer jobs in August than in July, yet the U3 unemployment rate dropped by 0.3% whilst it was unchanged from July to August. Ray Charles could see something doesn't add up. BTW, the U6 rate remained unchanged, and that's the real unemployment rate of our population.

    Job growth isn’t even keeping pace with population growth, but you act like things are great. The last time the household unemployment survey showed such a huge jump in employment was in 1983 during the Reagan-era economic boom. Today’s economy does not look much like the Reagan boom. The last time we had that many added in the household survey, the GDP growth rate was around 9%, and it’s currently 1.5%.

    I'm not saying there's a conspiracy to mislead about the jobless rate, but there is evidence to suggest that the household survey, from which the jobless rate is derived, showed a large deviation from its own trending and from the growth data in the economy. But don't worry, the next jobless report comes out before the election — the Friday before, actually.

    By the way, the jobless rate is nowhere near where it was promised to be resulting from the WrecKovery Act. In fact, it's higher now than they hypothesized it would be without the Wreckovery Act.



    And lastly, why is that liberals always accuse conservatives of being angry? Compare the crimes connected from the Occupy movement to Tea Party rallies.
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    Let's analyze a few more liberal clichés

    “The rich need to pay their fair share”
    The top 1% of taxpayers pay 40% of the taxes. The top 10% pay 90%. If that's not paying "their fair share" maybe the idiot-in-chief could tell us what "their fair share" should be. 47% pay no taxes at all. Where's their "fair share"?

    “The more fortunate among us”
    You know how most of "the more fortunate among us" got to be "the more fortunate among us"? By hard work. By getting an education.

    “The Bush tax cuts are what led us into this mess to begin with”
    No. It was forcing banks to lend people money who weren't able to pay their mortgages. Banks red-lined for a reason but as we all know, that was raaaa-cist. Dimocrats Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick were front and center raping Fannie and Freddie for millions of dollars. Democrats Bawney Fwank and Maxine Waters prevented oversight of Fannie and Freddie. President Downgrade and ACORN were protesting banks who wouldn't lend money to deadbeats. The Bush tax cuts had absolutely nothing to do with the mess we're in. It was the Community Reinvestment Act passed during the Carter administration and pushed during the Clinton administration.

    “Everyone gets a fair shake, everyone gets a fair shot”
    Ah the old fairness canard. I have no problem with equality of opportunity. My problem is a gummint that wants equality of outcomes and seizes wealth to give to the "less fortunate" who dropped out of school and thus has no job skills. Did President Downgrade get a "fair shot" by getting into colleges due to affirmative action and thus taking a spot from someone more qualified?

    “Millionaires and billionaires”
    Defined by the millionaire-in-chief as anyone making more than $250,000 a year for couples or $200,000 a year for singles.

    “Go back to the Clinton tax rates when we had tremendous growth”
    Hey! I'm all for that as long as we go back to the Clinton spending rates.

    “Increase taxes on the middle class while giving rich people, who don’t need it, a tax cut”
    It's the taxer-in-chief who is increasing taxes on the middle class with all of the Obamacare tax increases which are really gonna clobber the middle class next year. Go here.

    “Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary”
    That's because Warren Buffet is taxed on investment income and capital gains and if the tax hiker-in-chief gets his way those taxes will be raised as well which will stifle investment. Just what we need in a recession. Yep. We're in one. President Zero's policies have put us back in one. Let's give him 4 more years to continue his destruction of our economy. Maybe he can turn the Great Recession into another Great Depression.

    “I inherited …”
    Just think of the mess President Downgrade will inherit if he gets reelected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Everyone has the freedom to marry one person of the opposite sex. Where do liberals draw the line?

    Marriage is a union under God, and being so means the government shouldn’t have a hand in it. I’m all for civil unions, for everyone, under the government. But calling Adam & Steve’s commitment to each other a Marriage is blasphemy. In your dreams, you’re just the epitome of liberal ignorance and debunking your lies with reality brings me pleasure. But you’re getting close to Øbama’s level narcissism, I’ll give you that. Reality never sets in with you, even with repetition. As I’ve stated in the past (firehouse.com/forums/t110147-7/#post1095456):

    It takes a lot of typing to refute your incessant mendacity. But given your inability to tell the difference between 1 and 3 trillion dollars, and your inability to use a calendar, and your lack of understanding of budget deficits, no one would expect much more from you.You haven’t substantiated your allegations against Limbaugh yet,
    and now you’re moving on to topics even easier to debunk. No, they want to end the government’s action of forcing others to pay for women’s contraception. No one is stopping them from paying for contraception on their own, or for other people choosing to spend their money on someone else's contraception. Where on Earth do you get your facts from? The evidence against this is overwhelming. (Google: romney abortion rape)

    August 27, 2012 via CBS News: "My position has been clear throughout this campaign," Romney said. "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother."

    You berate me for not using Google to substantiate your libel against Limbaugh, but you're too inept or lazy to do it on Romney's stance on abortion. No, they want to eliminate Federal Government funding for abortions through PP. PP gets lots of funding from other places, Romeny doesn't want taxpayer money funding abortions. Again, you fail at using google to clarify facts.

    Liberals tried the same tactic with Bush on stem cell research. Bush never banned stem cell research, he just limited Federal funding for NEW stem cell research. But like most liberals, you expect someone else to do the work for you: The National Institutes of Health resource for stem cell researchThe DO NOT want to end insurance coverage for birth control. They want to stop the government from forcing insurance providers to cover it. If an insurance provider desires to sell a policy with or without such coverage, it’s between them and the customer. Liberals never cease in twisting words into saying something that doesn’t jive with reality.

    And why do liberals always absolve people of responsibility? Adults who don’t want to get pregnant can avoid getting pregnant by not having sex, and that doesn’t cost them anything. Why must others be forced to subsidize their sex lives? This obviously excludes cases of rape.


    But they only want to modify it for future retirees, those people who have time to plan and adapt to future changes. Social Security is a government run ponzi scheme. Without modification it will end sooner than later. Øbama has done more to reduce SS benefits than anyone in history. By engaging in Keynesian economics, he had devalued our currency, reducing the buying power of SS recipients on fixed incomes.
    This is a just a cliché that liberals repeat like a talking parrot. Even JFK understood that lower tax rates produce economic growth and even higher tax revenue. Lower tax rates do not equal lower revenues.

    Higher income earners already pay a disproportionate share of tax revenues. Lowering their tax rates increases economic activity.
    If it's hidden, then how do you know about it? And if it's illegal, why isn't the IRS investigating?

    Democrats have been trying to paint Romney as some sort of evil greedy Wall Street tax evader. Romney wisely kept silent, letting them bloviate themselves into a frenzy. Until he had PricewaterhouseCoopers release a notarized statement of his taxes over the last 20 years.

    In the last 20 years, the Romneys gave to charity an average of 13.45% of their adjusted gross income. In 2011, they gave almost 30% to charity, but only claimed 56% on their taxes, meaning they paid taxes on the remaining 44%, which they didn’t have to.

    How come liberals didn’t oppose rich men running for President until 2012? John Kerry’s wealth is near equal to Romney’s, but Democrats nor Republicans protested it in 2004. And if you include his wife’s wealth, Kerry is one of the richest men to ever run for President.
    Exactly when did liberals become so opposed to rich men running for President?

    Also, Kerry docked his 76’ luxury yacht in Rhode Island to avoid paying Massachusetts higher tax rate, despite voting many times himself to raise taxes.
    Where is the liberal outrage on that? [crickets]Why did DEMOCRAT Joe Lieberman run for Senate AND Vice-President in 2000? Why did DEMOCRAT Lloyd Bentsen run for Senate AND Vice-President in 1988? Why did Øbama resign from the Senate on November 16, 2008, instead of resigning BEFORE the election?

    What ever fault you apply to Ryan on this, you must also apply to Lieberman, Bentsen, and Øbama. Bravo. But we created fewer jobs in September than in August, and fewer jobs in August than in July, yet the U3 unemployment rate dropped by 0.3% whilst it was unchanged from July to August. Ray Charles could see something doesn't add up. BTW, the U6 rate remained unchanged, and that's the real unemployment rate of our population.

    Job growth isn’t even keeping pace with population growth, but you act like things are great. The last time the household unemployment survey showed such a huge jump in employment was in 1983 during the Reagan-era economic boom. Today’s economy does not look much like the Reagan boom. The last time we had that many added in the household survey, the GDP growth rate was around 9%, and it’s currently 1.5%.

    I'm not saying there's a conspiracy to mislead about the jobless rate, but there is evidence to suggest that the household survey, from which the jobless rate is derived, showed a large deviation from its own trending and from the growth data in the economy. But don't worry, the next jobless report comes out before the election — the Friday before, actually.

    By the way, the jobless rate is nowhere near where it was promised to be resulting from the WrecKovery Act. In fact, it's higher now than they hypothesized it would be without the Wreckovery Act.



    And lastly, why is that liberals always accuse conservatives of being angry? Compare the crimes connected from the Occupy movement to Tea Party rallies.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Let's analyze a few more liberal clichés

    “The rich need to pay their fair share”
    The top 1% of taxpayers pay 40% of the taxes. The top 10% pay 90%. If that's not paying "their fair share" maybe the idiot-in-chief could tell us what "their fair share" should be. 47% pay no taxes at all. Where's their "fair share"?

    “The more fortunate among us”
    You know how most of "the more fortunate among us" got to be "the more fortunate among us"? By hard work. By getting an education.

    “The Bush tax cuts are what led us into this mess to begin with”
    No. It was forcing banks to lend people money who weren't able to pay their mortgages. Banks red-lined for a reason but as we all know, that was raaaa-cist. Dimocrats Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick were front and center raping Fannie and Freddie for millions of dollars. Democrats Bawney Fwank and Maxine Waters prevented oversight of Fannie and Freddie. President Downgrade and ACORN were protesting banks who wouldn't lend money to deadbeats. The Bush tax cuts had absolutely nothing to do with the mess we're in. It was the Community Reinvestment Act passed during the Carter administration and pushed during the Clinton administration.

    “Everyone gets a fair shake, everyone gets a fair shot”
    Ah the old fairness canard. I have no problem with equality of opportunity. My problem is a gummint that wants equality of outcomes and seizes wealth to give to the "less fortunate" who dropped out of school and thus has no job skills. Did President Downgrade get a "fair shot" by getting into colleges due to affirmative action and thus taking a spot from someone more qualified?

    “Millionaires and billionaires”
    Defined by the millionaire-in-chief as anyone making more than $250,000 a year for couples or $200,000 a year for singles.

    “Go back to the Clinton tax rates when we had tremendous growth”
    Hey! I'm all for that as long as we go back to the Clinton spending rates.

    “Increase taxes on the middle class while giving rich people, who don’t need it, a tax cut”
    It's the taxer-in-chief who is increasing taxes on the middle class with all of the Obamacare tax increases which are really gonna clobber the middle class next year. Go here.

    “Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary”
    That's because Warren Buffet is taxed on investment income and capital gains and if the tax hiker-in-chief gets his way those taxes will be raised as well which will stifle investment. Just what we need in a recession. Yep. We're in one. President Zero's policies have put us back in one. Let's give him 4 more years to continue his destruction of our economy. Maybe he can turn the Great Recession into another Great Depression.

    “I inherited …”
    Just think of the mess President Downgrade will inherit if he gets reelected.


    Ahhh.....rent free in moonbat's head. The price is right.

    I think later it will be time for a frosty beverage to enjoy my free accommodations. Maybe put my feet up and watch some football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post


    Ahhh.....rent free in moonbat's head. The price is right.

    I think later it will be time for a frosty beverage to enjoy my free accommodations. Maybe put my feet up and watch some football.
    Living off the fruit's of someone else's labor, just what every liberal expects. And sitting around is about all one can afford to do with your gas prices. We can see how liberal ideology is working out for fuel prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Living off the fruit's of someone else's labor, just what every liberal expects. And sitting around is about all one can afford to do with your gas prices. We can see how liberal ideology is working out for fuel prices.
    Two of our three cars get over 40 mpg. The third one is a company car so we don't pay for gas.

    Nice to know that you concern yourself about little things like about my life.

    Thanks for letting me know I live rent free in that moonbat brain of yours. You proved that by knowing about the cost of living in my locale.

    I've been to NC several times. Nice place, beautiful place in fact. But not only do I not know what it costs to live there, I could care less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Two of our three cars get over 40 mpg. The third one is a company car so we don't pay for gas.

    Nice to know that you concern yourself about little things like about my life.
    But when you hypothesize that I'm running around the trailer park chasing my sister, it's meaningless and you have no concern for me. Or when you allege that I'm unhappy with my life, it must surely mean that you have zero concern for it.

    What a sad example of human being you are. If I have any concern for you, it's motivated purely by pity. My concern is for facts, not a lying liberal Marxist slumlord.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Thanks for letting me know I live rent free in that moonbat brain of yours.
    You reply in 15 minutes, you must be sitting in front of the computer hitting "F5" repetitively. Yet somehow I'm the one consumed with you.

    And if I was consumed with you, I'd probably be starting threads for the sole purpose of razzing you, but reality shows the opposite: firehouse.com/forums/t109756/ (Where's moonbat when you need him?)

    If you want to know what liberals are doing and dreaming about, just listen to what they accuse conservatives of.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Regardless, you still believe in freedom only for those who fit your parochial view. It is discriminatory in that your definition excludes an entire group of people who don't fit your particular mold.
    Isn't it racist/sexist/homophobic to insist that minorities vote monolithically with their melanin and women & gays with their genitalia?

    It really hurts your twisted sensibilities to know that your getting owned by a younger and smarter Southern boy who (used to) work in a double wide trailer, who's a lifetime member of the NRA, and knows that America is the best country on Earth and doesn't feel the least bit inclined to apologize for it. Maybe your wife can buy you some carbon offsets to make you feel better.

    Your deceptive, misleading, factually-challenged, hypocritical rantings hold more entertainment value than the the ambulating gaffe-factory Vice-Teleprompter reader in Chief. The difference between him and you is that there are people who actually take Biden seriously.

    This has been yet another rebuttal of the lying libtarded marxist slumlord brought to you by a simple southern boy from NC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    But when you hypothesize that I'm running around the trailer park chasing my sister, it's meaningless and you have no concern for me. Or when you allege that I'm unhappy with my life, it must surely mean that you have zero concern for it.

    What a sad example of human being you are. If I have any concern for you, it's motivated purely by pity. My concern is for facts, not a lying liberal Marxist slumlord. You reply in 15 minutes, you must be sitting in front of the computer hitting "F5" repetitively. Yet somehow I'm the one consumed with you.
    Ha ha ha. So nice to know how easy it is to get to you. I'd long forgotten about that, but apparently it's still bothers you. All part of my rent free occupation. Be happy we didn't work together. I would have sent you home in tears every pass-a-long. Sometimes just for sport. If we were in prison, I'd be selling your booty for packs of cigarettes.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    And if I was consumed with you, I'd probably be starting threads for the sole purpose of razzing you, but reality shows the opposite: firehouse.com/forums/t109756/ (Where's moonbat when you need him?)
    See above response.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    If you want to know what liberals are doing and dreaming about, just listen to what they accuse conservatives of.Isn't it racist/sexist/homophobic to insist that minorities vote monolithically with their melanin and women & gays with their genitalia?
    Not relevant to my rent free occupation in your cabeza.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    It really hurts your twisted sensibilities to know that your getting owned by a younger and smarter Southern boy who (used to) work in a double wide trailer, who's a lifetime member of the NRA, and knows that America is the best country on Earth and doesn't feel the least bit inclined to apologize for it. Maybe your wife can buy you some carbon offsets to make you feel better.
    See above response.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Your deceptive, misleading, factually-challenged, hypocritical rantings hold more entertainment value than the the ambulating gaffe-factory Vice-Teleprompter reader in Chief. The difference between him and you is that there are people who actually take Biden seriously.

    This has been yet another rebuttal of the lying libtarded marxist slumlord brought to you by a simple southern boy from NC.
    Your dreams will never hurt you. Except for the simple southern BOY part. And I emphasize the word, "BOY."
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Let's analyze a few more liberal clichés

    “The rich need to pay their fair share”
    The top 1% of taxpayers pay 40% of the taxes. The top 10% pay 90%. If that's not paying "their fair share" maybe the idiot-in-chief could tell us what "their fair share" should be. 47% pay no taxes at all. Where's their "fair share"?

    Ain't this so true. The liberals always want the rich to pay more because "they can afford to". That has nothing to do with it as they are already paying the frieght for the majority of the citizens and .... hold on a minute.... here it comes ...... It's THIER FRIGGIN MONEY so they should get to keep it!!!!!! Not the middle classes. Not the poors. But thier's. They earned it and they should get to keep the VAST majority of it.

    “The more fortunate among us”
    You know how most of "the more fortunate among us" got to be "the more fortunate among us"? By hard work. By getting an education.

    Exactly. Not by dropping out of school, choosing to do frugs, choosing to become boozers, having babies when they were 15 or choosing to become criminals. The point is nobody should get a free ride off the rich because they have made choices to screw up their own lives.

    Once again .. The money earned by the rich belongs to the rich andf they should GET TO KEEP IT!

    “The Bush tax cuts are what led us into this mess to begin with”
    No. It was forcing banks to lend people money who weren't able to pay their mortgages. Banks red-lined for a reason but as we all know, that was raaaa-cist. Dimocrats Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick were front and center raping Fannie and Freddie for millions of dollars. Democrats Bawney Fwank and Maxine Waters prevented oversight of Fannie and Freddie. President Downgrade and ACORN were protesting banks who wouldn't lend money to deadbeats. The Bush tax cuts had absolutely nothing to do with the mess we're in. It was the Community Reinvestment Act passed during the Carter administration and pushed during the Clinton administration.

    The Dems just don't get this .. Or don't want to admit it.

    Bottom line is there is alarge chunk of our citizens that will never get top iown a home because they simply can't afford it, and NEVER should have been given loans in the name of "Every American being able to live the American Dream".

    The American Dream is for those that can afford it .. Not those that can't, and if that happens to include a large chunk of a specific minority, so be it.


    “Everyone gets a fair shake, everyone gets a fair shot”
    Ah the old fairness canard. I have no problem with equality of opportunity. My problem is a gummint that wants equality of outcomes and seizes wealth to give to the "less fortunate" who dropped out of school and thus has no job skills. Did President Downgrade get a "fair shot" by getting into colleges due to affirmative action and thus taking a spot from someone more qualified?

    Finish school. Don't commit crime. Don't do drugs. Don't drink. Don't get preganant at 15. Thern you'll get a fair shot. Do any of the above and gues what .. YOU screwed up and it ain't my problem, or the problem of the rich that YOU made CHOICES that screwed up uyour fair shot.

    “Millionaires and billionaires”
    Defined by the millionaire-in-chief as anyone making more than $250,000 a year for couples or $200,000 a year for singles.

    “Go back to the Clinton tax rates when we had tremendous growth”
    Hey! I'm all for that as long as we go back to the Clinton spending rates.

    “Increase taxes on the middle class while giving rich people, who don’t need it, a tax cut”
    It's the taxer-in-chief who is increasing taxes on the middle class with all of the Obamacare tax increases which are really gonna clobber the middle class next year. Go here.

    Last I knew it wasn't the gov'ts role to determine who needed the money and who didn't.

    “Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary”
    That's because Warren Buffet is taxed on investment income and capital gains and if the tax hiker-in-chief gets his way those taxes will be raised as well which will stifle investment. Just what we need in a recession. Yep. We're in one. President Zero's policies have put us back in one. Let's give him 4 more years to continue his destruction of our economy. Maybe he can turn the Great Recession into another Great Depression.

    Two points. Investment income has already been taxed once as it has been subjected to corporate taxes. Secondly, it involves risk. Personnally I would bhave no issue if they dropped the rate to 10 or 12% to reward the risk even more, which would likely spur investment even further.

    Income involves no risk so it should be taxed at a higher rate. there is no risk involved in Buffett's secratary's pay.


    “I inherited …”
    Just think of the mess President Downgrade will inherit if he gets reelected.
    Amen brother! Testify!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Amen brother! Testify!
    There are no facts to prove your claims regarding economic policy. I have no problem with the wealthy being taxed at the same rates as those with lower incomes. It's not about the monies paid.

    I could easily make the argument they also benefit more from the services government provides.

    As far as the president's performance in his first term, I believe this statement sums it up best:

    I came in and the jobs had been just falling off a cliff. And I came in and they kept falling for 11 months. And then we turned around and we're coming back. And that's progress.

    "And if you're going to suggest to me that somehow the day I got elected, somehow jobs should immediately turn around, well that would be silly. It takes a while to get things turned around. We were in a recession; we were losing jobs every month, we've turned around, and since the turn around we've added 50,000 jobs. That's progress.

    "There will be some people who try to say, 'Well, net-net you've only added a few thousand jobs since you've been in.' Yeah, but ... we were in free-fall for three years and the last year of that I happened to be here and then we've turned it around as a private sector and government sector turned it around and now we're adding jobs.... I'm very pleased that over the last two, two-and-a-half years we've seen pretty consistent job growth.
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    He throws a lot of insults and invective, but doesn't refute the facts or provide any. The best he can do is repeating "rent-free occupation" over and over again. Apparently he wins because he says so.

    Can I come to fantasy land too? Just let me know what the unicorns like to eat, and I'll bring some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emt161 View Post
    Can I come to fantasy land too? Just let me know what the unicorns like to eat, and I'll bring some.
    If you're a public employee supporting conservatives thinking they have your best interests at heart, you're there already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    If you are indeed a firefighter working for a government entity, you exhibit typical cognitive dissonance.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    If you're a public employee supporting conservatives thinking they have your best interests at heart, you're there already.
    Remarkable how someone who incessantly brags about their assets, their spouse's income and their stock portfolio, can spend so much time and effort espousing the deranged hallucinations of the democrat party, whereas the rich only got where they are by climbing on the backs of others, and that these richer people should be rightfully punished with higher tax burdens and that money redistributed to poorer people in the interest of "fairness" and "social justice." The idea of income mobility is entirely alien to the liberal psyche.

    You advance the narrative that demonizes a group you claim to be a part of, yet you have the gall to accuse conservative voting firefighters of having cognitive dissonance.

    Please tell us all, what is our “fair share” of what someone else has worked for?

    Barack Obama wants fewer rich people in America.
    Mitt Romney wants fewer poor people in America.
    What do you call it when someone steals someone else's money secretly? Theft. What do you call it when someone takes someone else's money openly by force? Robbery. What do you call it when a politician takes someone else's money in taxes and gives it to someone who is more likely to vote for him? Social Justice.
    -Thomas Sowell
    Obama's Presidency will serve as an example of what happens when you vote for someone based on who you think they are, rather than their ability to accomplish things.

    There a few gold nuggets resulting from President Downgrade's election. As a result of Obama's hollow socialist agenda and paltry actions, America's political pendulum has swung hard to the right. People who voted against his agenda also voted conservative in state and local elections, allowing Republicans to take over many state legislatures and Governor's positions. Including my own state. The elections of 2010 led to Republican control of both houses of the North Carolina General Assembly for the first time since 1896. Also allowing us to redraw legislative districts after the census, wiping away the gerrymandering advantage that democrats gave themselves for decades, allowing us to continue to win more elections in the future.

    And in addition to awarding our electoral votes to President Romney, we'll be electing a Republican Governor too.
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    Red face Vote

    It's comforting to know my vote will cancel out scfire86's vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donethat View Post
    It's comforting to know my vote will cancel out scfire86's vote.
    Problem is that thanks to liberals like SC, Obumba (not a typo) will win the large state of Kalifornia.
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    Any public employee that votes republican is cutting their own throats financially and job security wise. How do I know? Governor scooter walker and his anti-union, anti-employee, anti-middle class, bought and paid for by the likes of the koch brothers.

    Fortunately, some of his cronies have been convicted of crimes while in public office, and even better some of his laws have been declared unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Any public employee that votes republican is cutting their own throats financially and job security wise. How do I know? Governor scooter walker and his anti-union, anti-employee, anti-middle class, bought and paid for by the likes of the koch brothers.
    Firefighters and law enforcement officers are exempted from Walker’s reforms. Walker had legitimate reasons for exempting police and firefighters—if public-safety workers strike, the public safety is threatened. But the 1st Amendment allows you keep spreading lies, so enjoy your liberty.

    Nothing has killed more jobs in America than unions that have a monopoly on the supply of labor. Just look at the most liberal city in America, Detroit. It's on the verge of becoming a 3rd world feces-hole. Liberals run every aspect of that city, and they want to do the same thing to America that they've accomplished there.

    And the Koch brothers are individual citizens, free to spend their money how they please. It sounds like you got serious butt-hurt over Citizens United, and that only dealt with corporate free speech, not individual free speech.
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    By the way, unemployment dropped below 8%...Golly what a bad break for the right wing!!
    And the next month, it starts going back up again. Anemic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Firefighters and law enforcement officers are exempted from Walker’s reforms. Walker had legitimate reasons for exempting police and firefighters—if public-safety workers strike, the public safety is threatened. But the 1st Amendment allows you keep spreading lies, so enjoy your liberty.

    There is no lie...The truth is several communities have petitioned Scooter to get that exemption eliminated. No firefighters, well maybe other than Milwaukee, believe that exemption will last. It has nothing to do with striking, and if you want to accuse me of spreading lies where are your facts to back the no strike reason for the exemption?

    Nothing has killed more jobs in America than unions that have a monopoly on the supply of labor. Just look at the most liberal city in America, Detroit. It's on the verge of becoming a 3rd world feces-hole. Liberals run every aspect of that city, and they want to do the same thing to America that they've accomplished there.

    And what about other cities with strong leadership AND strong Unions? If Unions destroy everything why isn't every city exactly like Detroit? The reason Detroit is in the trouble it is is CORRUPTION of its leaders.

    And the Koch brothers are individual citizens, free to spend their money how they please. It sounds like you got serious butt-hurt over Citizens United, and that only dealt with corporate free speech, not individual free speech.And the next month, it starts going back up again. Anemic.

    Buying politicians, and hence the office they run for, is inappropriatee no matter which side of the aisle does it. For you it is okay if YOUR side does it.
    Get over it, YOU LOST! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
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    So the question is now, do you think the GOP is stupid enough to continue to be the obstructionists they've been for the past 4 years. Will they continue Mitch McConnell's "Our number one goal is to make Obama a one term president", or will they wise up and star working with the POTUS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Get over it, YOU LOST! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
    You beat me to it.

    Better luck next time for our resident moonbat and his followers. I guess the Reagan model didn't work so well for him like he'd hoped.

    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Oh, you mean those polls that consistently poll Democrats at significanlty higher rates than Republicans? This time in 1980 Carter was double digits ahead of Reagan, and we all know how a mid-east crisis influence that election. President Zero is basically Carter 2.0.His citizenship is still questionable based on his citizenship in other countries that America prohibited dual citizenship with.
    Carter 2.0 kicked Romney's a**. Do keep up with the citizenship claims. It why you're our moonbat.
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    Now that the election is over, we can all move forward from the extremely devisive nature of this past election and actually accomplish something. I was hoping that there would be more backlash from the unwillingness of both sides to compromise and do something, but evidently people don't think that is as much of a problem as I do.

    I hope for the best to come and truely wish for the best for our country and that reconcilliation is possible.

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