Wow all of this because a kid was getting a silly pager! He needs a pager like we all need another head!
I am surprised that this thread ahs lasted this long before being locked for being useless.
Junior 22 use your time more wisely and study the books so you can graduate some day. Leave this buisness to the older members. When I was 14 I had girls on my mind!
And I agree that he should concentrate on his grades. When I left my old job over 2/3rds of our academy had college degrees with many being at the graduate level. In addition to having life experience in little groups like the Army Rangers or Navy SEALS, or working in the private sector in any number of professions.
Hit the books and be involved in the fire department.
Perform the tasks that your department allows you to perform.
BTW...she's still more of a man than LaFireMiseducator. I mean, seriously; this is the guy who would let a child burn to death in a vehicle fire without lifting a finger to help. You really think he would think twice about sending children into a burning house while he stood at a safe distance?
[QUOTE=GTRider245;1331089]In other words...
Doesn't really matter what I would do in that situation.
What if I had been coming back from a praty and maybe had a couple of drinks? Not drunk at all but just a tad impaired. Still obligated to act in your mind? Or maybe bummed a shoulder a little bit the day before. Still obligated?
The fact is when somebody is off-duty, they are just that. If they choose to act, that's fine, but there is no obligation to act and likely they wiill have to personally deal with the concequences.
Again, sad to say but the victim got him/herself into the situation. Off-duty or out-of-district members are not responders. They are just plain folks who have a choice.
The public has no right to expect that we will attempt a rescue on-duty without adequate resources or training. If I'm not trained in water rescue and not equipped for water rescue, it's not fair for the public to expect me to go into the water, as an example. I'll do what I can from shore with the resources on the truck to attempt a rescue, but no firefighter should be expected to go in-water, again as an example, unless they have been trained and equipped to do so. Same with confined space, technical rescue, collapse rescue, cave rescue or any other situation, including rescue from a fire when the resources just aren't there. Yes, I want to do what I can but my primary responsibility is to my family to come home after every single shift or call.
That's especially true when operating off-duty without PPE and resources. Sorry, but they got themsleves into the situation and it's not my responsbility to jeapordize my responsibility to my family to get them out of it. I'll do what I can as I have many, many times in the past, but at the end of the day, I am walking away. Call that cowardice. Call that selfish. Call that not in the traditions of the fire service but my family does come first.
I don't even know how to start this post so the hell with it, I'll jump right in.
LAFE is a spineless coward who won't lift a finger to help anyone, on or off duty, because he might break a nail, and he is such a selfish **** that the only person that matters is himself.
Junior22 is a fracking nutjob, who already thinks WAYYY too much of him/herself, and will not make it in the fire service due to his/her p iss poor attitude towards everyone.
Carry on. I expect a response from LAFE about how he doesn't believe in the need to save someone off duty. I also seem to remember a response where LAFE wasn't going to make any sort of interior attack if there weren't garbage cans at the house, or a vehicle in the driveway. Because GOD FORBID a child is home alone, or the car is parked in the garage.
What a freaking joke. This whole topic is a freaking joke.
It's not fair, it's not fair, it's not fair. YOU ARE A MUTT!!!