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    Quote Originally Posted by Junior22 View Post
    It was something like they don't advise you to,but you may. Our rules our like this. http://upperleacockfire.org/documents/sog/Ch.17.pdf
    I don't want to be anywhere near a dept. like that. I hate having to deal with dead kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller337 View Post
    Well....... They did give Bull a car and a gun.
    Is he 14???
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    Quote Originally Posted by rescue_1 View Post
    You're OK with a 16 year old kid operating a hose on a fully involved car fire?
    Yes, I am OK with a trained 16-year old being a backup position (not the nozzle) under the supervision of senior personnel on a fully involved car fire. And I have no issues with him/her being switched out and on the nozzle for overhaul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    HELLO THE KID IS 14 YEARS OLD! But I guess that you make sure he was trained up to your specs so he'll be ok.
    The rules of this department say a 14-year old cannot do this.

    The rules say a 16-year old can. As posted above I have no issues with a 16-year old in a backup position under supervision on a line operating at a vehicle fire or exterior structural attack line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Ohhhh......lordy.

    I won't respond to LAFE. He's one of the many reasons the fire service will always be second in line to LE for funding. Can you imagine a 14 y/o being given the keys to a squad car and a gun? That's the analogy.
    First of all, I said 16-year old as this company states that specifically in their SOP, if you took the time to read it.

    Secondly, limited fireground duties under specific circumstances under the supervision of a senior member is hardly the same thing.
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    Every one knows that there is this magic force field between the nozzle man and the BACKUP man. No danger there. Or maybe you just put only 6'-8" - 375 lb Bubba on the nozzle and tell the kid "stay close"
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    He's 14 now...but joined fh.com in 2010 at the ripe age of 12? Says a lot about these forums...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    First of all, i said 16-year old as this company states that specifically in their SOP, if you took tile to read it.

    Secondly, limited fireground duties under specific circumstances under the supervision of a senior member is hardly the same thing.
    You are incredible. Again, the analogy is a LEO having a 16 y/o as backup for a felony arrest or as backup to a LEO for a robbery in progress.

    Un...effing....believable.

    Keep talking so that we can continue to realize you have an effed up mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You are incredible. Again, the analogy is a LEO having a 16 y/o as backup for a felony arrest or as backup to a LEO for a robbery in progress.

    Un...effing....believable.

    Keep talking so that we can continue to realize you have an effed up mindset.
    Really don't see the comparison ... Sorry.

    Oh that's right ..... 16 year olds can't belong to the union . Now I understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    The rules of this department say a 14-year old cannot do this.

    The rules say a 16-year old can. As posted above I have no issues with a 16-year old in a backup position under supervision on a line operating at a vehicle fire or exterior structural attack line.
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    So what happens when the unkown cargo in the back decides to blow and kill them both? Will you still be so quick to support putting a CHILD in harm's way?

    Those of you questioning the training on LAFE's part, save your breath. This 16 year old back up man would hold just as much formal recognized fire training as his full out firefighters: none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    So what happens when the unkown cargo in the back decides to blow and kill them both? Will you still be so quick to support putting a CHILD in harm's way?

    Those of you questioning the training on LAFE's part, save your breath. This 16 year old back up man would hold just as much formal recognized fire training as his full out firefighters: none.
    Juniors also ride in all apparatus code 3 during response. And a greater percentage of firefighters are killed in apparatus accidents than incidents involving vehicle fires. So I gues they shouldn't be responding code 3 in the apparatus either?

    As far as the other crap, I was going to respond. Decided not worth the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Is he 14???
    Some days I wished. With what I know now I be down right dangerous!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    The rules of this department say a 14-year old cannot do this.

    The rules say a 16-year old can. As posted above I have no issues with a 16-year old in a backup position under supervision on a line operating at a vehicle fire or exterior structural attack line.
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    The poster says that he is 14 not 16. So what 16 old children are allowed to do on "his" dept. is a moot point.

    But the fact that you have no problem allowing children in the hot zone says volumes about you. Considering that you have stated in the past that you would not risk a hair on your worthless hide to save someone, even your own wife, it's no wonder that you be willing to put children in harms way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    The poster says that he is 14 not 16. So what 16 old children are allowed to do on "his" dept. is a moot point.

    But the fact that you have no problem allowing children in the hot zone says volumes about you. Considering that you have stated in the past that you would not risk a hair on your worthless hide to save someone, even your own wife, it's no wonder that you be willing to put children in harms way.
    And his department has specific guidelines regarding what he can do as a 14-year old as well.

    As far as the other comment, nowhere did I say that risks should not be taken when the situation and the possibility of change on outcome justify it. That being said, that risk should not include firefighter injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    As far as the other comment, nowhere did I say that risks should not be taken when the situation and the possibility of change on outcome justify it. That being said, that risk should not include firefighter injury.
    Not in this thread, but you have in the past past many many times and you know it. You should have been a lawyer or a politician you would have gone far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Really don't see the comparison ... Sorry.

    Oh that's right ..... 16 year olds can't belong to the union . Now I understand.
    Of course you don't see the comparison. There is a lot of things you don't or don't want to see.

    Union affiliation has nothing to do with it other than your feeble attempt to make a snarky comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BULL321 View Post
    Not in this thread, but you have in the past past many many times and you know it. You should have been a lawyer or a politician you would have gone far.
    The trick is I have said it ... As long as there are viable victims iwith a reasonable posibility of rescued and fire conditions are reasonable.

    There are situations where risk and possible injury are justified. They are very rare however and many situations that some here firefighters like to throw out are simply not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Of course you don't see the comparison. There is a lot of things you don't or don't want to see.

    Union affiliation has nothing to do with it other than your feeble attempt to make a snarky comment.
    Bottom line is there are several departments that I either know of or are currently on orthat have been on that use trained junior personnel in that capaciity under supervision with no issues. It works well.

    Obviously the OP's department has no issues with it as it's allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Bottom line is there are several departments that I either know of or currently use trained junior personnel in that capaciity under supervision with no issues. It works well.

    Obviously the OP's department has no issues with it as it's allowed.
    I question the parenting of any parent that would allow their child to be placed in a potentially dangerous situation. But that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I question the parenting of any parent that would allow their child to be placed in a potentially dangerous situation. But that's just me.
    That's why you get trained a lot! Duh?

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