So show us a picture of a building that didn't burn because of your prevention and education effort. Shouldn't be too difficult to prove given your self proclaimed expert status.
As far as my expert status, I never claimed that, but my experience in public education and juvenile firesetting both in the field and as an instructor has been recognized.
I can picture it now - an army of 14 year olds-proudly wearing their minitor 5s, sporting stick on maltese cross tats, arms laden with bert and ernie coloring books, proudly marching through the parish, the sound of their marching wafting through the pines
"I dont know, but ive been told" -You dont live long , when you are bold
Folks may be trapped, but I dont care -I wont go in, cause it hot in there."
You seem to have conveniently "missed" this so I'll post it again. I eagerly await your response, I need a good laugh.
Your own words, unchanged saved for only posting the relevant portion.
Given that most structure fires are preventable with behavior modification - education - unless you have a severe arson problem, like say, Detroit, I will stand by my statement that if a department is experienceing a lot of fire activity it's likely that they are not doing very much prevention or the prevention is ineffective, for a variety of reasons.
If the increase is due to arson, that is not preventable. If the increase is due to causes related to inproper behaviors, they are preventable and the trend can be reversed through increased education and prevention activities.
In 2010, we saw a significant increase in brush incidents, including 5 structure fires caused by brush fires, due to the drought. Even though conditions in 2011 were worse, we responded to less than 50% of the brush fires we had in 2010, with no structure fires resulting. Why? because we significantly ramped up our prevention messages targeted at brush fires combined with an increased awareness of the situation within the community. We still saw more brush activity than usual but it was far less than every nieigboring department.
We now have far fewer kitchen fires, heating fires and brush fires because those were the areas that we harped on and the result is a significant drop in those fires, as well as fires overall.
Bottom line is if you look at departments - volunteer and career - with aggressive, staffed and professionally run either by certified educators or trained fire department personnel, you will find departments that run fewer fires than departments without such a program.
So to summarize, increases in fires are due to poor education and prevention but have nothing to do with education and prevention. Also, arson is not preventable so juvenile fire setting prevention is useless. Got it.
Also, I see a lot of the word "we" in your response so that signifies to me that it has no basis in the real world. When you realize things are much different everywhere else, you'll realize how stupid your blanket statements are.
The personnel responsible for prevention and education look at the run data and determine what is causing the fires. The personnel responsible for prevention and education come up with a stragety including target audience, meesage and delivery to address the identified problems. They deliver the programs. they evalaute the results. If there is no change in data, they develop a alternative stragety and implement it.
That is basic public education planning and management.
Any community and any department - career, combo or volunteer - can do it as long as they are willing to dedicate staff, time and some money towards it. And make it committmentn that it IS as important as supression and that it will make a difference.
If you don't have anyone in your department that wants to head it up contact the schools and see if there is somebody with an educational background to head it up. Advertise in the community for volunteers interested in delivering the message. If you in a college town, contact the college and see if they are interested in having the student teachers involved.
The fact is the development and management of a public education p[rogram does requires specilaized training beyond FFI/FFII. It requires time and effort and a lot of departments, and a lot of firefighters, simply don't want to do that. A lot of departments do and it shows in their fire stats. And yes, an aggressive public education program can have a significant impact on fire activity in most communities.
As far as juvenile firesetting, most juvenile firesetting is a behavior and can be stopped through education, consueling, and punishment such as restitution, community service and school suspensions. Less than 1% of all juvenile firesetters fall into the patholigical catagory that display and physical and/or pscyologocal need for fire.
And most juvenile firesetting is not classified as arson.
this thread is like a bad accident to the public....just can't stop looking. :cool:
SO. . . . . .. .. .. . . . since he does not care if he influences anyone and he is a fire prevention/educator then he must only care about a paycheck and his own health and welfare. :D
Our city is being hit hard with fires. It has nothing to do with our lack of being pro-active in prevention and education and everything to do with the socioeconomic climate we're working in. That is a prevalent factor in 99% of the departments with an increase in calls.
I would really love for you to walk into a department or fire house and tell the men there that they're seeing more fire because they're not working hard enough to teach the public. Please, I'll give you my paycheck from both of my departments for you to spend one day in my district going door to door and attempting to teach prevention and fire safety. I'll be sure to call LE and have them shadow you for the inevitable slap you receive upside your head. Pass by my firehouse, explain to my men that with a severe shortage of manpower we need more people dedicated solely to prevention instead of the 21 line positions that need to be filled desperately. Then go to my neighboring department that is looking at brownouts and layoffs and tell the men there to reinstate the budget for P&E they had cut in half to save men on the line. You really need to get your head out of your ***, prevention is important but extinguishment is our duty. As much as I love going to fires, I don't want to see anyone lose their lives or property but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to priorities.
Look at it this way. If you start at 14 you can retire at 39..........Right?............ J/K.