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    I am part of an all volunteer department in a small town who's population more then triples during the summer due to tourist. The amount of time it takes to get through the village to respond to the fire house in the event of a call is extended tremendously because of traffic and pedestrians. That was just a small background to why I need help. To combat this I want to do standby crews in house on the weekends (which is the village's busiest tourist time). However I do not want to sit around and watch tv all day hoping for a call, that is just a useless waste of time. What I am looking for is Ideas for training that we can do that can be quickly picked up in the case of a call. I've got some ideas for some SCBA training and medical training as those are quick pick up types of training. If anyone has any ideas about trainings or if your department does this sort of thing and trains during what kind of training do you do? Any help is greatly appreciated.

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    Looked up Skaneateles, NY, beautiful pictures on the internet. Can see why your population booms on the weekends.

    While our department (paid) has weekly department training Tues-Wend-Thurs, it is up to station officers to conduct company training on our own in house or in district. Can be easy as reading an article in Firehouse and discussing it or a single or dual company drill. We use our city parking garage a lot, advance hose up the stairwell, standpipe operations, or rope work off the side.

    Primary search could be done at the station. How about TIC training, RIT, Ropes and Knots, or buddy breathing if your SCBA's are equipped.

    My best advise, get out of your station and let the good folks see you. District familiarization (driving around looking at hot moms). Walk the parking lots at some of the high end boat clubs you have, look at the high end cars, talk about the location of airbags, boron steel and locate hybrids. Walk and discuss plans of how you would respond to a fire at the docks or boat fueling station with as many people there are around them. Discuss how you would evacuate those people, especially the injured off a crowded boar dock. Spot hydrants and FDC's at the hotels. Go into hotels and become familiar with the elevators (firefighters' operation, lockout/tagout procedures...).

    Best parts of getting out of the station; people (especially rich boat owners who can donate $$$) are going to see you taking an active role. Talk to the people when you pass them on the street, let them know why you have a crew looking into the windows of their Lexus. I bet some of the rich folks from out of town have no idea that a volunteer department serves them on their weekend get aways.

    Also, it will be great for your younger members. Make sure they dress up a little, at least nice pants and a department shirt (no I FIGHT WHAT YOU FEAR garbage), or get some department polo shirts made for the people who sign up to stand by on the weekend. Show the younger members how to look and act in public. Also simple training will help the younger folks; as a fire officer, you might have forgotten how little an 18 year old tailboarder actually knows about the job, use it as a opportunity to give them some real world experience.
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    Those are some really good ideas and in a way I guess it would almost be more appropriate to ask paid departments the question since they do a good portion of training while on shift. We do have station uniforms (Class B) that can be worn, but most of our new members have not received them or they were older used ones that they were given for the time being. With that being said it is already in the works for the members who do spend time at the station to be getting all new station uniforms.

    I will definitely keep the suggestions in mind. I am a new officer for this department and I have a lot of willing and able members (especially on the weekends and mainly the younger members) who want to do this sort of thing, which to me is the first step of getting the ball rolling on something like this. I haven't brought this idea up to our chief yet because I want to get everything in order in stead of tell him I want to do it and when he asks a question just standing there with a dumb look on my face saying umm. I want to be prepared and have answers.

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    Triples? Pssh, that's on a rainy weekend. We go from around 5k to 25k on average, some weekends hitting 50k.

    Your first issue is very simple and obvious....does the rest of the Department feel the same way? Meaning, do they agree they need to be standing by all weekend and are they willing to actually do it? Without that buy in from the guys....training offerings aren't going to work. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

    That being said, if you do have the buy in and guys willing....see what they would like to do. Give each of them a chance at coming up with some ideas. Getting them involved will be a huge help.

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    Bones: I believe our messages got crossed. My first thing when I thought of this was to ask the members and I received a surprisingly good response of people on board for it. I did forget to put this in there and I apologize, but after getting the response from members and willingness to stand by I asked them the same question you are suggesting: "What would you like to do for training? What did you want to learn or get more familiar with?"

    A good portion of the enthusiastic people who wanted to do this are new to the department and new to the fire service so I received a lot of broad answers in which I am working on ideas for. I do also have some that have been around for at least a few years and one who's been around for 5 or 6 years who are willing to stand by and also help in training.

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    Not sure of what apparatus you have, or the number of calls you expect over a weekend, but we will normally do any type of training. We pull lines and if we get a call, either take the other engine, or just disconnect that line and respond without that line. We also do auto extrication drills and roll another unit while we load everything back up if we get a call.

    Another thing to consider to get more people is to have a cook out / pitch in or something similar so that people can bring their families. It makes it a little easier to take spending the weekend at the firehouse if the family can be there too.

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    If you do this, why not start with the back to the basics.

    Practice donning turnout gear, scba's and the like. Progress up to laddering, pulling lines and flowing water.
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    All great ideas thank you

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    Keep in mind too that if the weekends are going to be busy for calls, don't burn out the boys with a drill and expect them to be 100% for a real call. Nothing is wrong with rewarding yourself with some recliner time once you have gotten your work and training done.
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    and some well picked out movies to go along with that

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    Brush up on maps. Our dept is very, very serious about memorizing the streets in our first-in district. Also, SCBA drills are good. If you have extra air packs, do some consumption tests...play basketball while wearing your back...workout wearing a pack...anything that can allow one to practice their breathing and stretching out the bottle's air.

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    Oh...and also some good EMS drills...particularly for cardiac arrests are great. Our dept has placed more and more emphasis on arrests as we now know more and more about how to get a ROSC more often.

    Practice on a dummy and keep on practicing until you can run a very smooth efficient arrest. Just some ideas.

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    Ok well thank you everyone for suggestions I will work this out and present it to my chief and will let you know how it all ends up and I will keep some progress as well

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    There's many websites you can pull company drills from. Here's a good one, and the site alone is worth reviewing with your guys: http://www.firefighterclosecalls.com/weeklydrills.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    Looked up Skaneateles, NY, beautiful pictures on the internet. Can see why your population booms on the weekends.

    While our department (paid) has weekly department training Tues-Wend-Thurs, it is up to station officers to conduct company training on our own in house or in district. Can be easy as reading an article in Firehouse and discussing it or a single or dual company drill. We use our city parking garage a lot, advance hose up the stairwell, standpipe operations, or rope work off the side.

    Primary search could be done at the station. How about TIC training, RIT, Ropes and Knots, or buddy breathing if your SCBA's are equipped.

    My best advise, get out of your station and let the good folks see you. District familiarization (driving around looking at hot moms). Walk the parking lots at some of the high end boat clubs you have, look at the high end cars, talk about the location of airbags, boron steel and locate hybrids. Walk and discuss plans of how you would respond to a fire at the docks or boat fueling station with as many people there are around them. Discuss how you would evacuate those people, especially the injured off a crowded boar dock. Spot hydrants and FDC's at the hotels. Go into hotels and become familiar with the elevators (firefighters' operation, lockout/tagout procedures...).

    Best parts of getting out of the station; people (especially rich boat owners who can donate $$$) are going to see you taking an active role. Talk to the people when you pass them on the street, let them know why you have a crew looking into the windows of their Lexus. I bet some of the rich folks from out of town have no idea that a volunteer department serves them on their weekend get aways.

    Also, it will be great for your younger members. Make sure they dress up a little, at least nice pants and a department shirt (no I FIGHT WHAT YOU FEAR garbage), or get some department polo shirts made for the people who sign up to stand by on the weekend. Show the younger members how to look and act in public. Also simple training will help the younger folks; as a fire officer, you might have forgotten how little an 18 year old tailboarder actually knows about the job, use it as a opportunity to give them some real world experience.
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    Not to be devil's advocate, but why do you have to come up with some kind of training schedule in order to present to the chief to show some kind of productivity?

    Isn't the mere fact that it is the busy time of year enough to justify it?

    Yes. Drill, train, etc. But make it a routine day. Don't go balls out and drill all day since your main duty is to respond. Or else I don't see many volunteering to fill out shifts if a full day of drilling is what they have to look forward to ON TOP of the regular call volume.


    *Plus, what FiremanLyman said!
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    The reason I wanted to have something to show to the chief is that we have had people who said they were going to do this and that but when the time actually came they just sat on their *** and did nothing but watch tv and it made it a waste of time for the members. (used as a way to get points) So its not that the chief requested that I get a training schedule made up its me wanting to have something to be like hey we aren't going to just sit around and do nothing all day its going to be a productive day. I'm not really trying to justify it so to speak just trying to show him we aren't going to be lazy bums all day.

    As for training all day goes that was never my intention. I was planning on doing short trainings that we could do, get what we need and want out of it, and then relax some. In no way do I expect members to show up for a standby and expect to train for the entire time they are there. I wouldn't do it and I won't expect others to do it either.

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