Another "what were they thinking" video

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=avI-Ibut1SY#!

There are those who wil justify this... and we wonder why the fire service isn't taken seriously....

[scfire86]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=avI-Ibut1SY#!

There are those who wil justify this... and we wonder why the fire service isn't taken seriously....

Good find. I totally agree.

[DeputyMarshal]

I particularly liked the yard breather backing up the nozzleman...

Sometimes natural selection doesn't work nearly fast enough.

[tree68]

Pretty typical rural trailer fire. Might better let it burn.

Can't defend the folks on the nozzles, though.

At least they saved the turkey fryers...

[LaFireEducator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=avI-Ibut1SY#!

There are those who wil justify this... and we wonder why the fire service isn't taken seriously....

And just out of curiousity, how many times have you responded to a rural trailer fire with a rural fire department?

[ljm]

And just out of curiousity, how many times have you responded to a rural trailer fire with a rural fire department?

Just out of curiosity, how is that relevant Mr. Everybody Goes Home? You watched the video right? I'm not one to arm chair but come on...

[LaFireEducator]

Just out of curiosity, how is that relevant Mr. Everybody Goes Home? You watched the video right? I'm not one to arm chair but come on...

Limited resources. Limited firefighting.

They appeared to be working exterior within the limits of their resources.

I agree the guy in front, not in PPE, should not have been in the smoke, but I suspect the guy on the BC corner was a civilain, and most likely the homeowner as he appeared to be using a garden hose.

[FyredUp]

Mask up, go in the front door and push the fire out the end of the trailer. Simple straight forward tactics. And exactly the way I would have approached this fire.

My bet is the guy on the hose line is the chief.

[slackjawedyokel]

Limited resources. Limited firefighting.

They appeared to be working exterior within the limits of their resources.

I agree the guy in front, not in PPE, should not have been in the smoke, but I suspect the guy on the BC corner was a civilain, and most likely the homeowner as he appeared to be using a garden hose.

Horseschit LA - Obama needs to hire you to make excuses for him. LA - you like to play the salty ole volly with rural limited resources card. I throw the BS flag. LA -I started out (in the seventies)with a mid sixties vintage 1-1/4 kaiser truck with what was called a "class 9 " skid unit. We added a 57 seagrave and a homeade tanker at a later date. Never once did we let our limited resources affect our training or want to. We "cut our suit from the cloth we had" Any body with a basic knowledge of fire behavior would try to "cut " that fire off. We never had the mindset of "well any response is better than nothing"

[LaFireEducator]

Horseschit LA - Obama needs to hire you to make excuses for him. LA - you like to play the salty ole volly with rural limited resources card. I throw the BS flag. LA -I started out (in the seventies)with a mid sixties vintage 1-1/4 kaiser truck with what was called a "class 9 " skid unit. We added a 57 seagrave and a homeade tanker at a later date. Never once did we let our limited resources affect our training or want to. We "cut our suit from the cloth we had" Any body with a basic knowledge of fire behavior would try to "cut " that fire off. We never had the mindset of "well any response is better than nothing"

I see 2 members in PPE, and only 1 in an SCBA. Maybe there were more personnel on-scene, but they aren't visbiable and for the purposes of this discussion, I'm going to assume that is the case.

Based on what I see, they simply do not have the manpower to safely perform an interior attack, escpecially on an older mobile home.

Are you suggesting they should be operating interior?

Obviously, they had limited resources. It appears they they operated as such and by the way, it appears that they did save the majority of the contents of the trailer.

[DeputyChiefGonzo]

And just out of curiousity, how many times have you responded to a rural trailer fire with a rural fire department?

Nice try, Bobby...

We have 4 mobile home parks in the city, and we have had fires in just about all of them during my career.

The fact is... when I posted this I knew that you would defend it in one way or another.. you chose to by using a wise @$$ comment.

[rm1524]

I see 2 members in PPE, and only 1 in an SCBA. Maybe there were more personnel on-scene, but they aren't visbiable and for the purposes of this discussion, I'm going to assume that is the case.

Based on what I see, they simply do not have the manpower to safely perform an interior attack, escpecially on an older mobile home.

Are you suggesting they should be operating interior?



Obviously, they had limited resources. It appears they they operated as such and by the way, it appears that they did save the majority of the contents of the trailer.

Yes that is an interior fire attack or at least it is where I come from it is and yes we haul better than 80% of our water and yes we have at least 8 trailer parks.

[FyredUp]

Horseschit LA - Obama needs to hire you to make excuses for him. LA - you like to play the salty ole volly with rural limited resources card. I throw the BS flag. LA -I started out (in the seventies)with a mid sixties vintage 1-1/4 kaiser truck with what was called a "class 9 " skid unit. We added a 57 seagrave and a homeade tanker at a later date. Never once did we let our limited resources affect our training or want to. We "cut our suit from the cloth we had" Any body with a basic knowledge of fire behavior would try to "cut " that fire off. We never had the mindset of "well any response is better than nothing"

Brother, I hear what you saying, been where you were.

My first volly FD, which I joined in 1977, had a 1950 Ford F7 with a 500 gpm Barton American front mount as first out. Second out was a 1937 Ford Darley 500 gpm pumer. Our tender was a 1949 Mack EFU model converted fuel truck. We had 4 scba, and not enough turn out gear if the entire FD showed up. But that didn't stop those that showed up from doing the job. Those with out gear did pump ops and bottle changes and things like that out of the hot zone.

We didn't cry about how bad things were we set out to make them better. A couple of us bought our own gear. Then we scrounged more from other FDs, we bought surplus from the federal property program, we fund raised, and we petitioned the village board for more funding. We started small with our staffing, I thing we had 12 actually active members, and most days we were lucky to muster 6 for a fire.

Now we run a 2005 2000gpm HME Rescue Engine, a 1985 Pierce 1500 gpm engine, a 1992 Monroe truck tender 1000gpm front mount/ 1500 gallon tank, and a 1984 5/4 ton GMC 70 gpm brush truck. We have state of the art PPE and SCBA and 22 members, most trained to FF1, some to FF2, some to Driver Operator, some to Instructor, some to Officer, and many members with all kinds of varied outside the department training. You see you actually can affect change if you really, really, want to. But I understand whining for many is far easier.

[LaFireEducator]

Nice try, Bobby...

We have 4 mobile home parks in the city, and we have had fires in just about all of them during my career.

The fact is... when I posted this I knew that you would defend it in one way or another.. you chose to by using a wise @$$ comment.

And what is your staffing? What is your water supply?

I see 2 FFs in PPE and likely a rural water operation.

With that staffing, should be defensive all the way.

[slackjawedyokel]

Fyred --- OK city "donated" (I think they were dug out of the trash) a bunch of old cotton duck wool lined knee length bunker coats to us. When they were wet , they would buckle your knees.
And LA - the way I was raised -having little was no excuse for doing little --- it was an incentive to work harder and to better yourself.

[The nots so new FNG]

I seem to recall seeing this video before. I think it was an non-FF complaining about the lack of training, professionalism and whatnot of the 'primary' fire department for the area. I also recall the second - better funded department showing up (with gear + SCBA's) and being sent away as 'Not Needed'.

Perhaps someone who is better with the search features can find that thread.

[The nots so new FNG]

Oh - and for the record, in this day and age with grants - there is NO excuse for an organization to attempt to be a fire department without the proper PPE for all of its members. No turnouts - no excuse.

[LaFireEducator]

Beaverton, AL

Population - 226

45% of the population 45 or older

Median Income $12,782

Not many folks. Not much in the way of income.

What do you suggest they do Gonzo????????

[FyredUp]

And just out of curiousity, how many times have you responded to a rural trailer fire with a rural fire department?

Enough to know 3 things:

1) That trailer fire is easily an example of when an interior attack should be done. The fire could be hit VERY safely from the hallway that is common in trailer homes. Final overhaul could be done from the outside and involves removing the remaining siding and smodering debris, more than likely from the outside.
2) The resident's possesions in the unburned portion of the trailer more than liely represent everything he owns and are probably not insured. So whatever we save by making that interior attack helps them get back on their feet that much quicker.
3) It is obvious the trailer is junk and will be demolished and hauled away. Putting out the fire here has less to do with saving the traier and more to do with saving what the occupants own. I know LA, stuff isn't worth risking lives. I have fought enough trailer fires to know the most likely avenue of fire spread is in the ceiling. So we have to get in, knock down the main fire and QUICKLY, pull ceiling in that hall way to insure the fire isn't rocking over our heads. You simply CAN'T do that from the outside in your blue jeans and t-****.

I am sure you will adamantly disagree with me on my tactics and my reasons. I won't be surprised.

[LaFireEducator]

Fyred --- OK city "donated" (I think they were dug out of the trash) a bunch of old cotton duck wool lined knee length bunker coats to us. When they were wet , they would buckle your knees.
And LA - the way I was raised -having little was no excuse for doing little --- it was an incentive to work harder and to better yourself.

And who says this department isn't trying to do that.

What exactly, by the way, did they do wrong?

They saved the majority of the contents of an older mobile home. Given the 2-3 members I see on scene, that's actually a damn good stop.