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    Im buying this Round, 1199a for Regional Communications $316,000, Bartender break out the Dom.


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    Looks like we have finally got the SAM mess straightened out. Got our questions email last week and the AFG person who has been great to work with said all is good in the SAM world. Another couple of weeks and hopefully I can buy a round on my way out.

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    All this is making me hungry. Anyone else want a bowl of my infamous Jack Daniel's Chili? Put 1/3rd of a fifth in with just the meat for 2 hours, not a drop of liquid left in it, all soaked into the meat.

    Now if I hadn't put the rest of the fifth into the chef....
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    Has the wait between 1199 and ten questions been longer this year? Got the 1199 and hoping for the congressional call tomorrow. Also, at what point is any reduction notice handed out? Was thrilled to get the 1199 and even thrilled even more to not get a reduction requirement. Hoping those two go hand in hand. We need every penny this year.

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    There are no 10 questions, some have been getting the 5 questions when the SAM registration isn't there. Otherwise been anywhere from 10 days to 12 weeks between 1199A and award. Most still in the 2-5 week range. Reductions happen shortly after the 1199A if they aren't done beforehand, there are 2 separate teams handling each task, just depends on who gets to your app first, the 1199A folks or the reduction ones.

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    Well just heard on news federal government closed today due to storm. So another round is needed as this is further delaying awards. What a slow snails year. Hope all are safe during this latest storm.

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    New list is up and there is 1 vehicle award this week. East TN was dominate for TN this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJVaughn View Post
    New list is up and there is 1 vehicle award this week. East TN was dominate for TN this time.
    2 vehicles this week....IL was the other lucky state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJVaughn View Post
    New list is up and there is 1 vehicle award this week. East TN was dominate for TN this time.
    Are you writing the grants for Hendersonville, TN? I need to hire their grant writer. I know of a few departments to pull of repeat vehicle awards, but never in consecutive years.

    It looks like these guys have done it 3 years in a row:

    2010 - $750,000 for an AP
    2011 - $350,000 for an engine
    2012 - $350,000 ????

    Jealous!

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    Wasn't me, but wonder if they reported the new trucks in their vehicle fleet each year. Even if not delivered the instant an award is official for the next grant round those vehicles must be reported, so 2011 would have had a 1 year old aerial, and 2012 would show a 2 year old aerial and a 1 year old pumper. 6 stations, doesn't look like a new fleet overall and there's no newer aerial listed on their site, just a 1994 4dr commercial chassis stick. Maybe it got turned back in?

    They probably don't want to be advertising that they're leaving the 1988 in service that they "replaced" with the 2011 award since that's not allowed....it's on their link for the delivery of the new pumper.

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    Don't want to undercut them without having the whole story, but their 2011 award looks as if it replaced a 1988 engine, which would be marginal for successful computer scoring in many cases. Biggest problem is that they are now using the 1988 for a reserve piece.

    http://www.hendersonville-fd.org/Eng...20Delivery.htm

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    Quick-draw Vickers beating me to the punch

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchkrat View Post
    Are you writing the grants for Hendersonville, TN? I need to hire their grant writer. I know of a few departments to pull of repeat vehicle awards, but never in consecutive years.

    It looks like these guys have done it 3 years in a row:

    2010 - $750,000 for an AP
    2011 - $350,000 for an engine
    2012 - $350,000 ????

    Jealous!
    Nope not me. They have the knack it seems

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    That is why i feel the program needs a serious revamping. I know of two companies within 25 miles of ours that have received vehicles in 2 consecutive years, different categories though. These guys are replacing vehicles that are newer than anything we own. Our newest piece is a 1988. It is a case of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. If you receive a vehicle grant you should not be able to apply again for a vehicle for 5 years or so. If would make it fairer to everyone else. Just my two cents.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    Wasn't me, but wonder if they reported the new trucks in their vehicle fleet each year. Even if not delivered the instant an award is official for the next grant round those vehicles must be reported, so 2011 would have had a 1 year old aerial, and 2012 would show a 2 year old aerial and a 1 year old pumper. 6 stations, doesn't look like a new fleet overall and there's no newer aerial listed on their site, just a 1994 4dr commercial chassis stick. Maybe it got turned back in?

    They probably don't want to be advertising that they're leaving the 1988 in service that they "replaced" with the 2011 award since that's not allowed....it's on their link for the delivery of the new pumper.
    If you click on the link to go through their pictures, they have pics of the AP being built and after they recieved it.

    I have a neighbor that got 2 (an engine and a "tactical" tanker (6x6, 1500 gallons) but they were both needed and happened several years appart.

    I was surprised to see they kept their old engine (canopy cab) as a reserve.

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    If companies are being allowed to keep the vehicles that are supposed to be being replaced with the AFG apparatus, then why not allow companies that do get a AFG grant for a vehicle to donate their old apparatus to other departments? I know that there are lots of companies that would love to have someone else's "unsafe, obsolete" apparatus because it is better that what they have. Might actually save more ff lives/reduce injuries that way.

    P.S. I know the apparatus are supposed to be "disposed of", even though i have a hard time believing this happens all the time.

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    To take credit for an "unsafe" vehicle the department must remove it from service.

    Per the PG: "Applicants must certify that unsafe vehicles will be permanently removed from service if awarded a grant. Acceptable uses of unsafe vehicles include farm, nursery, scrap metal, salvage, construction, etc."

    If they haven't, eventually they will be caught whether someone drops a dime on them or the FPS finds this during a site visit. If they are in fact violating their grant they have alot to loose not only having the vehicle taken, but criminal charges filed as well.

    Pleading ignorance won't cut it.......you are responsible to understand the PG and the requirements of your grant award.
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    In fact I'm sure by now someone from DHS is already putting the wheels in motion, after all they patrol these forums too. Same as ISO ever since someone posted that they had an audit in progress and were running equipment from one station to the other during the lunch break. Ooopppsss, maybe that wasn't a good idea with their name and department listed.

    Well looks like I'll be having fun while y'all are hanging out in the 2013 Watering Hole. Re-enlisted and took the oath on Friday for the Guard again, had to take an enlisted slot and go to school before I can head back to OCS. Only one available other than truck driver (88M) was a 13M HIMARS Crew Member working one of these bad boys:

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    And since everyone else has chimed in I will add that it was not my client either! BTW, and not saying this is the case here being discussed, but that part of the program is called "vehicle acquisition". Now "replacement"t of an unsafe vehicle is of course a priority but, you can make an argument sometimes for removing a vehicle from front line service and put it into reserve status and win a piece of apparatus. The safety issue is not the sole issue for replacement they will consider albeit it is the most prevalent.
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