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    As somebody has said ... Things balance out.

    The two previous years we were in a serious drought and ran brush and wildland fires like they were going out of style.

    This year has been fiarly normal with a fairly normal amount of incidents.

    Is the planet getting slightly warmer? Yes. has it happened before and then temps have rebounded. Same when the planet has gotten unuslaly cold (remember the little ice age back in the 1700's or so).


    The whole CO thing is such a load of crap that I don't even appease the liberals and argue with them about it anymore. I guess they feel if they say it enough it will somehow come true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    Doesnt matter? Doesnt matter? Why? Because you dont want to admit that the Messiah ****ed up and gave Solyndra the money???? What about these clowns who all got a piece of the Messiah's money pie and then closed shop-
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    Beacon Power
    Energy Conservation Devices Inc.
    Evergreen Solar
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    Olson's Crop Services
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    nahhhhhhhh doesnt matter I guess.
    As I stated earlier. Conservatives say nothing about the billions that are doled out every year in the form of subsidies to private companies. Which is socialism in case you are wondering. Something conservatives claim to dislike. I'll take the monies invested in alternative energy any day over the billions given to oil companies who then think nothing of hiking the price of gas to record levels.

    Oil, gas, and agriculture subsidies account for billions every year. Yet all you want to do is focus on the federal support for companies who failed by engaging in a program started during the Bush Administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    As somebody has said ... Things balance out.

    The two previous years we were in a serious drought and ran brush and wildland fires like they were going out of style.

    This year has been fiarly normal with a fairly normal amount of incidents.

    Is the planet getting slightly warmer? Yes. has it happened before and then temps have rebounded. Same when the planet has gotten unuslaly cold (remember the little ice age back in the 1700's or so).


    The whole CO thing is such a load of crap that I don't even appease the liberals and argue with them about it anymore. I guess they feel if they say it enough it will somehow come true.
    Please stop while you're behind. It's obvious you don't even know your own job let alone someone else's. The reason you don't argue with liberals is because you are clueless about anything. More than likely they stop arguing with you when they realize that fact after discussing anything within the first two minutes of conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    So what? Subsidies are still socialist programs. Something conservatives claim to dislike. The reality is they only oppose socialist programs they don't like. They support the socialist programs that benefit them.


    Doesn't matter. The program was still started during the Bush Administration. Who handed off a fiscal disaster.
    The subsidies given to oil companies actually gives the government a chance for income in the form of sales, income, property, etc. taxes. So it's not socialist in that it's not a one way street with money just going out from the goverment. And if Solyndra's situation had been examined at all, they would've known not to throw money down in that bottomless pit. But then again, maybe they DID know and did it anyways. Of course permitting China to flood the market with cheap solar panels didn't help any either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Please stop while you're behind. It's obvious you don't even know your own job let alone someone else's. The reason you don't argue with liberals is because you are clueless about anything. More than likely they stop arguing with you when they realize that fact after discussing anything within the first two minutes of conversation.
    Once again, I would like to personnally thank you for your thoughtful and meaningful contribution to the discussion.

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    I'm kinda on the fence about the whole renewable energy thing vs. the fossil fuel debate. On one hand, the renewable energy is a step in the right direction, on the other hand, little has changed. Take agriculture for example, growers were allowed to burn all ag related by- prouducts, this included the empty chemical containers, raisin trays that were treated to resist water, all prunings and even whole orchard and vineyard crops that were pushed to the middle of a field and burned. Here it virtually went unchecked for as long as I can remember.

    Then the power cogeneration plants started springing up, and those same crops that were burned, were now being ground up and sent to a plant to fire huge steam boilers that powered generators. How much Carbon monoxide can an industrial multi-cone air scrubber clean? Probably not that much, but some jabroni is making wads of cash on it because someone bigger than him said it does.

    Just last month, my Ford needed a freon boost. I went to the parts house to buy a couple of cans of R134. I hadn't been there in a couple of years for freon but I plopped the cans on the counter and much to my suprise, there was a $10 per can core charge, a special valve that you had to purchase to extract the freon, and orders to bring the cans back without damage to them. You see, now in the name of protecting the environment some chupacabra came up with a way to vacum out the empty cans and destroy them himself, all for $10 a can...nice. What irked me about this is that I can buy a 15lb can of R134 and there is no core charge or EPA warnings attached. They could care less at this point if I let 200 cans of freon out into the atmosphere through a 15lb cylinder, just as long as I dont let the bottom of a 6oz can escape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    . Yet all you want to do is focus on the federal support for companies who failed by engaging in a program started during the Bush Administration.
    All you want to do is focus on the fact that the companies benefitting from the programs started by the Bush Administration were given millions upon millions of dollars, and then declared bankruptcy under your village idiot community organizer.
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    Quite Frankly Gentlemen, Does anyone give a Rat's Behind?? I know that I don't..... I was born in 1941, and I've planned on being here (Yes, HERE, harrassing y'all) until 2041. However, I've got so damn much to do, and I'm so far behind, that I'll probably see 3041 go by....... Anyway, why can't we do the following, in no particular order...... A. Make one kind of Gasoline, with 3 or 4 octane levels. The current idea that we have all these Boutique Blends because of Air Pollution is crazy. Pollution (and the EPA) be damned. Cheap Gas should be the first thing on everyone's agenda. B. Government costs money to run. Let's save some money and abolish the EPA. C. Come up with a realistic Transportation Policy that would reduce Fuel use. IE: If it goes more that 500 miles, put it on a Train or a Barge. If you have 200 Fifty Three foot Containers in Long Beach and you want them in New York, you currently have 3 Choices. A Box Boat, via the Panama Canal. B. 200 Truck Tractors, each pulling a Trailer @ 6 Miles per Gallon or 500 Gallons per Truck for the Trip (100,000 Gallons total) or C. Put them on a Train @ 2 Gallons per Mile per Locomotive (3 needed) for 18,000 Gallons..... Anyway, Back to the Subject matter of this Thread. No, The World is NOT Burning Up.
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    Harve.. the "boutique blends" are necessary because of the varying temperature ranges and altitudes of the country.

    The EPA is necessary.. look at the the air and water quality in some of the thrid world hellholes and in China. I like clean air and clean water.

    A realistic long haul transportation solution? Agree with. Many trailer units already go by train as a means of getting the products to the final consumer.

    The orginal premise of this thread? It's not the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar or any calendar.

    PS: Harve... I beleive you will be around past 2041, kicking @$$ and taking names!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Once again, I would like to personnally thank you for your thoughtful and meaningful contribution to the discussion.

    Please feel free to contribute in the future.
    You're very welcome. It's always an honor to slap you around given your nonsensical ramblings.

    As far as global warming is concerned, the majority of the climatologists believe it is not only real, but man made. Even an individual who was until recently a skeptic has changed his position.

    I'll take the word of folks who are knowledgeable on the topic any day over the FH Forum's version of Cliff Claven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    All you want to do is focus on the fact that the companies benefitting from the programs started by the Bush Administration were given millions upon millions of dollars, and then declared bankruptcy under your village idiot community organizer.
    Sorry if the fact that Bush started a program (supported by numerous conservatives) is now an inconvenient fact.

    I totally get why republicans want to forget the Bush Administration. He inherited a relatively healthy economy and proceeded to hand off a complete disaster. Aside from never taking responsibility for the financial meltdown, they now blame the current president for not cleaning up their mess fast enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    You're very welcome. It's always an honor to slap you around given your nonsensical ramblings.

    As far as global warming is concerned, the majority of the climatologists believe it is not only real, but man made. Even an individual who was until recently a skeptic has changed his position.

    I'll take the word of folks who are knowledgeable on the topic any day over the FH Forum's version of Cliff Claven.
    Ya, right.

    And if they are wrong about global warming being linked to CO emissions Obama's grand scheme to take our country away from proven energy sources such as coal and gasoline to windmills,, solar and switchgrass will have destroyed the economy for naught.

    Sorry but I like my cheap energy from coal and natural gas and don'r mind my car being fired by old fashioned gasoline. And I don't want some liberal president (notice the lack of caps) trying to take it away from me because of his misguided liberal, socialist enviroment-wacko agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Ya, right.

    And if they are wrong about global warming being linked to CO emissions Obama's grand scheme to take our country away from proven energy sources such as coal and gasoline to windmills,, solar and switchgrass will have destroyed the economy for naught.

    Sorry but I like my cheap energy from coal and natural gas and don'r mind my car being fired by old fashioned gasoline. And I don't want some liberal president (notice the lack of caps) trying to take it away from me because of his misguided liberal, socialist enviroment-wacko agenda.
    I'll take the word of those who actually study the topic over you. Funny how you are gung-ho on certs to make a feeble attempt at credibility yet discard the credentials of those who have actually bothered to make this field their life's work.

    Not that I expected anything else from a blowhard like you.

    BTW, I always like it when right wingnuts call me a socialist. Given how that term is bandied about by conservatives throw the term around to the point where it lacks meaning.

    Jon Stewart described the conservative's mindset on socialism best:

    Can't we just admit that a Socialist is someone who wants to spend government money on s*** you don't like?
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    Isn't it funny that nobody has tied the Dust Bowl to global warming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    Isn't it funny that nobody has tied the Dust Bowl to global warming?

    Good Point!!........ But, That was too long ago to be a part of the current conspiracy......
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    Isn't it funny that nobody has tied the Dust Bowl to global warming?
    Mostly caused by lousy farming practices and land management made worse by a drought. A localized event with little to do with global warming, I would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    BTW, I always like it when right wingnuts call me a socialist. Given how that term is bandied about by conservatives throw the term around to the point where it lacks meaning.
    His rants mean even less when you consider he has no problem cashing his government issued check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Ya, right.

    And if they are wrong about global warming being linked to CO emissions Obama's grand scheme to take our country away from proven energy sources such as coal and gasoline to windmills,, solar and switchgrass will have destroyed the economy for naught.
    BS. Introducing new energy sources will do nothing but preserve our current sources. Delaying research and implementation of new technology is only putting off the inevitable. The only people affected in any way will be fossil fuel folks, who will have to settle for a little less profit. If anything, it will serve to drive down the cost of fossil fuels, as there will be less of a demand for them. Once again, idiotic attitudes like yours will result in America being, once again, left behind as the rest of the world moves into the future, while the fossil fuel companies rake in billions in profits and subsidies in the short term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    His rants mean even less when you consider he has no problem cashing his government issued check.
    He's no different than one of my very conservative neighbors who works in the aerospace community. Rants and raves about taxes as if his paycheck and lifestyle would exist were it not for the taxation of others.

    He's just like VP candidate Paul Ryan. He is the embodiment of everything a modern Republican hopes to be. He talks like he cares about the nation or community, pockets the money at every turn, and never seems to be held accountable when his actions are 180-degrees from his words.

    IN LAFE's case, his livelihood is from an activity that could go away tomorrow, and no one would notice.
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