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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I believe it is an NFPA requirement.
    Just curious do you know what NFPA standard?

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    There's never been one in any Houston firehouse that I'm aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyhunter42 View Post
    Just curious do you know what NFPA standard?
    NFPA 1581 Standard on Fire Department Infection Control Program: Chapter 5 Fire Department Facilities, Section 5.2 Kitchen areas, Sub Section 5.2.4 Kitchens in Fire Department facilities shall include the following appliances: 1) Range, 2) Oven, 3) At least 1 refrigerator, 4) DISHWASHER
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    We have dishwashers in every station, mostly high end residential models. We have had regular residential models, they didn't last long. Most of the problems we've had with any of the DWs came from using cheap powdered soap, we have far less trouble since we switched to the single use tablets.

    We found out the hard way once that the dishwasher at Sta 2 wasn't heating enough, had a run of illness that put down almost everyone in the house. New dishwasher cured it.

    Once in a blue moon the offgoing shift forgets to run the DW or unload it. same with the trash or doing the windows-the next shift takes care of it and apologies made, so long as it doesn't become a habit it is no big deal.

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    I believe every station in Chesterfield has one, and has since the 80s...last time I was in a station that didn't have a dish washer around here was back in the late 70s or so (And I was washing dishes in that station, lol)

    The surrounding communities, ditto, be they salaried or volunteer..

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    And the reason ladies and gentlemen for having the dishwasher in a station is to insure high heat is used when washing the dishes.

    Reading some people's veiws on the dishwasher is funny. It is not about being lazy, crews not unloading them, or that some rookie will become insubordinate if he is not washing the dishes by hand. It is for your freaking health, because you are not going to (intentionally) put your hands into water hot enough to kill the germs that you need to worry about...

    ...bet you still think people fighting car fires with an SCBA are pussies too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    And the reason ladies and gentlemen for having the dishwasher in a station is to insure high heat is used when washing the dishes.

    Reading some people's veiws on the dishwasher is funny. It is not about being lazy, crews not unloading them, or that some rookie will become insubordinate if he is not washing the dishes by hand. It is for your freaking health, because you are not going to (intentionally) put your hands into water hot enough to kill the germs that you need to worry about...

    ...bet you still think people fighting car fires with an SCBA are pussies too.
    BING FREAKING O!!

    Might be why the standard requiring a dishwasher is NFPA 1581 Standard on Fire Department Infection Control Program
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    And the reason ladies and gentlemen for having the dishwasher in a station is to insure high heat is used when washing the dishes.

    Reading some people's veiws on the dishwasher is funny. It is not about being lazy, crews not unloading them, or that some rookie will become insubordinate if he is not washing the dishes by hand. It is for your freaking health, because you are not going to (intentionally) put your hands into water hot enough to kill the germs that you need to worry about...

    ...bet you still think people fighting car fires with an SCBA are pussies too.
    Absolutely ridiculous comparision.

    But whatever makes you feel better. People have been washing dishes by hand without getting sick for a long time, and will continue to do so in the future. Once again, this is really not that big of a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    People have been washing dishes by hand without getting sick for a long time, and will continue to do so in the future.
    You're absolutely right. The difference is that it's a workplace, not your home, much the same as with food safety. I can cook whatever I want in my home, but the moment I try to sell it, it's a whole different animal.
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    This was a huge issue in my previous department about 5 years ago. We were preparing to install the first dishwasher our department had ever seen. Debate raged for months prior. People actually got in to screaming matches at union meetings over the proposed dishwasher. One shift commander (battalion chief) actually threatened to retire before he'd allow a dishwasher to be used on his shift. It was among the silliest things I've seen in my career.

    In the end, the dishwasher was installed and the world didn't explode. Our culture didn't die. Yes, there were a few times when a shift forgot to empty it and there was brief discussion over whether we could talk the chief in to firing them, but eventually sanity won out. I for one enjoyed not having bits of dried food on some dishes and thinking about that skanky sponge that was used for months at a time on the dishes I was eating from.

    As they say, any change is difficult.
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    Frankly, the main reason I have seen here for not installing a dishwasher is someone forgetting to empty it the next morning. With a secondary reason being comraderie of the crew doing dishes together.

    Well, people are people and occasionally people forget to empty the dishwasher, or the washing machine of the kitchen towels, or the hose dryer of hose, or whatever. We can make a huge freaking deal of it or realize it just happens, unless it becomes the regular routine, and get past it. Heaven forbid we make a huge deal of it and then slip ourselves. To me this is an incredibly feeble excuse for not using a machine designed to clean the dishes to a higher sanitation level due to the water temperature.

    As for the comraderie issue, on occasion we do the dishes as a crew and even then we use the dishwasher. Why? Because it is easier and does a better job on the plates, glasses and silverware and no one has to stand there at the sink and wash them. The pots and pans that don't fit in the dishwasher still get done by hand. But we all work together on those occasions to get the kitchen cleaned up. Our group is VERY tight and we hang together before meals, during dinner of course, and afterwards, getting the kitchen done and getting out is the goal. Not hanging out together over the sink.

    I just see it as a big oversite not to install a dishwasher in a remodeled or newly built firehouse. I suppose even if it was installed you could choose to not use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Absolutely ridiculous comparision.

    But whatever makes you feel better. People have been washing dishes by hand without getting sick for a long time, and will continue to do so in the future. Once again, this is really not that big of a deal.
    No, perfect comparision, and sencing your reaction I hit the nerve I was aiming for. It is the same "People have been _____ without ______ for a long time, and will continue to do so in the future. Not a big deal." thinking in the fire service that continues to holds the fire service down.

    I bet you have thought poorly about Bosshier Parrish's use of qualified and non qualified personel. How about juniors doing live burn training? 17 year old volunteers being unbelted? Fire videos with lack of PPE? Those are just a few examples of the "That's the way we've always done it" thinking also.

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    a dishwasher won't destroy camaraderie. They talk about the brotherhood of firefighters, not the brotherhood of bus boys and dishwashers.

    I wouldn't cry if the dishwasher were to leave tomorrow, but it sure is nice to be able to load the dishwasher go do fireman things, then come back and empty it. I'd much rather come in to work and see the shift before didn't unload a clean dishwasher because they've been running calls, rather than finding dirty dishes.

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    Once again, this is a non-issue to me. And being as I have come to respect most of you who disagree with me on this, I will just leave the rest of my comments to myself. It really isn't worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTRider245 View Post
    Once again, this is a non-issue to me. And being as I have come to respect most of you who disagree with me on this, I will just leave the rest of my comments to myself. It really isn't worth it.
    It's okay if I am the one you don't respect.

    I will probably get over it somehow...someday...maybe...perhaps...but who can really tell?
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    Unloadng the diswaher is a big freaking deal for some people?

    $#!t, I wear a gold badge with three bugles and have no problem emptying the dishwasher.

    There are more important things to worry about than the dishes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Unloadng the diswaher is a big freaking deal for some people?

    $#!t, I wear a gold badge with three bugles and have no problem emptying the dishwasher.

    There are more important things to worry about than the dishes...

    And all those people want to do those more important things and not worry about the dishes

    At my station, its simple, you don't cook than you clean. If you buy the food (grocery store or otherwise) you do neither unless you want to.

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