The simple facts are these, you aren't even on the department yet, and it seems you either don't know who to ask, or won't be assertive enough to ask what the heck is going on, and you post here about lights for your POV. The issue is too many people post here about their thermo nuclear powered left handed Winkleborfler LED strobes and their wannabe Federal Q's for their POVs yet they can't donn their SCBA within 2 minutes, they don't know where the tools are on the rig, they couldn't pull a preconnect with a mule, and they don't have time to go to fire classes.
Honestly if I had my way and I interviewed candidates for the FD and they asked me about lights for their car in the interview I would look them straight in the eye at the end of the interview and say "No thank you, you aren't what we are looking for." It's ALL about priorities and lights for your POV should be somewhere near the bottom of the list.
Something tells me that this thread will not end well...
i got that i wont do anything with lights unless i join or they have me or whatevs i promise your right its the trng not the lights thts important and i will stick to that. i will say that i didnt start this thread some1 else asked about lights i only said it was on my mind but i was NOT buying any yet i will stay focussed on trng if i join and not wory abt lights
i went to the mtg last night and iwas annoyed they called role and called my name and i said here and they asked how mny times id been coming and i TOLD them 4 but they said the role only said 2 so i hada come back 1 more time to officailly join nxt month :mad: i didnt evn know they were taking role bfore (no 1 called my name bfore) so i gues all those times i came up aftr the meeting and askd q's i wasnt realy 'there.' :mad: WTF?!?!?
I have to agree with this. Writing correctly is so easy and looks better than the "cell phone" writing which the younger folks have learned to do.
I don't imagine that you wrote like this in high school, and maybe you did and are still in there, trying to get out with a diploma.
In the fire service, there are many reports and forms which have to be written and filled out every day. Doing a short cut on words does not cut it. These are legal documents which must be kept for twenty years or so and yes they can be subpoena to court. If you wrote like you do today and have to appear on the stand in 10 years and explain what you wrote today, you will have a hard time trying to figure it out.
I know most of us do as we read it now.
As far as the lights goes, forget about them, until you have became a full fledge member and have been there awhile, learned everything which you are required to learn and know how to fight fire and the other duties which are required.
i undrstand what you are saying but why wuld i have to write rpts as a ff? i wnt be a officer or nothing like that ill be a nooby or working a hose or whatevs why wuld i have to write anything? wuldnt the chief do that?
oh and somthing funny abt the meeting after the hoohah abt how many mtgs id been to ltr on in the meeting the "Regulars" got into it abt why there attendence had dropped so much and no body was coming to mtgs!! one membr said that NO OTHR vfd in the area was ao anal abt attendence which was funny since there iam tryin to join and they said i hdnt been there enough!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Write professionally and it becomes second nature.
Not to mention that you may become involved with EMS, which has its own set of paperwork.
Unless you intend to remain a bottom-of-the-heap firefighter all your life (and even if you do), you're going to end up writing reports, making entries in logs, and any number of other "work-a-day" writing tasks.
Grammar and syntax are important, no matter what you do. If you're going to be applying for a job, you need to use real, whole words. I can tell you that if your application came across my desk with writing such as you're doing here, it would keep right on going across my desk and into the trashcan.
I'd rather read something written with a few misspellings and malapropisms than the "phonespeak" you're turning out.
Why is this a problem? This is the 21st century. People type with short hand on computers. It's as common as the sun coming up each day. Now if he spoke in person that way verbally saying "OMG", that would be a sign of uneducated or just lazy.
I have read all the comments here and others he has made and have fully understood them all. I don't see the need to nit pick about something so minor. I type short hand a lot of times, but when I am doing official paper work I don't. I know the difference. I highly doubt his typing effects his ability to fight a fire. Firefighters have been using short hand for years. EMT, POV, MVA, and so on.
Hey Skippy, this is how you write and what we perceive from it.
i comes on fir dpt and gots my geer and now i is a firmen; i goes to da fir and whip outs the hos and put da wawas on the firs. i doesn't has to right nuttin. i gonna gets me sum lites fer my kar sone.
BTW - did you eat at Red Robin and take the name of one of their bugers for your screen name??
As far as younger people joining, that's no excuse for not using real words. English, Grammar, and Writing are still taught in school. Use them.
Turns out he is a retired fire chief and has been on his home department for 30 years and has seen more fire battles then any man. He has saved several men and has served his community at every chance. But you passed on him based on his writing skills.
Just be careful how you judge someone.
(nothing wrong with people from Alabama or Boston. Just examples)
I personally do not know this guy, he could be a total slacker and not worth the paper the application is written on, but then he could be a very valuable member. I will say that if he has any hopes of remaining on any department he joins, he needs to drop the attitude of "why wuld i have to write rpts as a ff? i wnt be a officer or nothing like that ill be a nooby or working a hose or whatevs why wuld i have to write anything? wuldnt the chief do that?" No one on a department is a nobody and if you consider yourself to be one, then you will be one and not welcome.
Understand that the old ways and new ways can mix and still work. There does not need to be black and white. There is lots of room for grey.
Peace be with you sir.
There was a fellow who posted for a while on a railroad forum I visit frequently. His spelling and grammar were not top notch, to say the least. However he had the respect of every member of the forum because he spoke the truth, as they say. But he didn't use "phone speak." He just fractured the Queen's English on a regular basis.Quote:
And you could be passing on one of the greatest firefighters of all time. Consider this for a moment. A guy comes in to join the department. You know nothing about him other then he just moved to your station (lets say in Boston) from Alabama. He is an older fellow. He fills out the application, but misspells a lot of stuff, and used wrong words such as "no" for "know". He is a modest guy and does not brag about his life. When asked if he has experience, he says he has some, not much. You take his application and judge him based on it.
I'm with the others - unless it's "industry standard" (like EMT, etc), words should be spelled out, and correctly. That the students were using computers makes the "phonespeak" argument even weaker. All the keys are there and if they've had any training in typing or "keyboarding," they should be able to rip through whole words with no problem.Quote:
I recently went to my old high school to see a friend. I stopped into the English department to see the teacher. I noticed they did not use paper anymore. Everyone had a laptop. While sitting at his desk he was grading some things. All the "papers" on the computer had some short hand in them. This was not marked off or considered incorrect. It was accepted as "the new way".
Maybe the problem is that the kids are learning to "phonespeak." It would take me longer to misspell all the words in a sentence than to write/type it out correctly. That English teacher is doing his/her students a grave disservice by not holding them to accepted standards.
This teacher has been teacher of the year 4 years running, The school teaches short hand in the class. They understand that soon this will be a needed skill to know how to read and write it.
I am not going to get into a ****ing match. You and Mr. angry have your opinions, They are outdated, but you are entitled to them. I just wish you could understand why learning short hand is so important.
Let's see just how long have you been a firefighter or you one, yet?
You just don't walk in or drive into Boston and join anything. You have very little knowledge of this profession. Yes we Old timers as you say don't have to conform to any new guy. They have to conform to the members who are and were there before they took the first step of being a fireman. Yes we will be gone one day and so will they. Right now they are the new man like we were years back and yes; we had to conform to the standards, rules, regulations of the day and still having to do so today.
If you got hired and pass all the hoops and hurdles and were assigned to a fire house, you would be just another new guy, who has to learn and do what was told.
I would love to have you in my Company. ;)