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    My first fire was a 4 fire department mutual aid call for the fertilizer plant portion of the farmer's co-op in town. YES, they had ammonium nitrate. The fire got put out, no explosion occurred.

    Look as for wanting fires to occur. That is not how I feel about it. How I feel about it is IF they will occur I want to be there to do the job I have trained for.
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    I'd be happy if the amount of fires we went to went down by half, but let the decrease be on the other shifts. I don't want fires, I want the ones that are going to happen to happen when I'm working.
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    Well it finally happened made it into my first fire tuesday morning 11-20, it came in as a bathroom on fire and pulled up stretched a pre connect and i was on the tip with a experienced LT with me and put out the bathroom that was fully involved and another room that was on fire. Definitely the best moment of my life so far and continuing to train for the next one!!

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    The 1st fire was an hour into my first tour and we had a total of 4 that day. I spent my career going to work and wishing I wouldn't get one. Well, that didn't happen very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    I didn't play varsity sports to sit on the bench.
    The problem is nobody was killed or injured if you got to play. Nobody lost a home. Nobody lost a vehicle. There were no consequences.

    The fact is we should never wish for or want fires. This isn't a game. If we go, there will likely be folks that will lose something so that we can do what we enjoy.

    That's why prevention and education, and not having to respond to incidents, is so important.

    As far as the question, my first significant fire was a very large mutual aid barn fire that had spread into the house through a breezeway stocked with wood. When we arrived the barn was on the ground and we were initially tasked with setting up a drafting operation and laying a supply line. After that we were tasked to go interior. We were using the MAs department line. After a while it was apparent that is was getting pretty warm and we were not making any headway on the fire.

    After we pulled out we looked at the nozzle. Apparently they had assisted the road department a couple of days before and used this nozzle to stick into culverts to unclog them. The nozzle was filled with gravel and putting out a stream similar to a garden hose.
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    If your in the service to hope you get to fight a fire then do us a favor and walk back out the door. Were here to save lives not risk them. this aint the boy scouts this is the big league. For those wishing for a call to happen, try doing CPR on a guywith his whole family watching knowing your not gonna bring him back. I was like you when i first joined could wait for a call.

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    I think some people here need to realize that we can wish or not wish for calls all we want, but unless someone here is a wizard, all the wishing in the world isn't going to anything. My conscience is going to be clear regardless of what I "wish for", because my wishes do not magically come true.

    That being said, we're firemen. If you don't derive some satisfaction or enjoyment from responding to emergencies and helping others, then why would you get involved in the emergency services?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGriffC12 View Post
    I'm not saying go out on a news interview saying "we need more fires" but if I'm BSing with the guys and someone goes " HAvnt had a fire in a long time" or something of that sort I'm not gonna scream arson... A firefighter should want to go to fires, and not be ashamed of it, just like a paramedic should want a code every shift.. I look at it like that person chose a trade, and enjoys it , and when someone enjoys something and are confident in their ability I take that as a good thing.
    I don't know why you'd think a paramedic would want a code every shift, you obviously don't know how much it sucks telling family members that there's nothing more you could do to save their family member. And I've been to Iraq too, and wishing to have contact to me is just warped. Maybe you should watch Band of Brothers a few times, I can guarantee those guys got over having enemy contact real fast. I knew a guy who was in the same battalion as those guys and he sure didn't have that attitude.
    My goal every day at work is to help someone have a better outcome to a problem. I don't care if it's cutting off power to a shorted outlet or giving them advice on how to deal with a medical problem. If I get a fire or an arrest, I can deal with it, but I'm not going to "wish" for it.

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    The fact is we should never wish for or want fires. This isn't a game. If we go, there will likely be folks that will lose something so that we can do what we enjoy.

    That's why prevention and education, and not having to respond to incidents, is so important.
    You really are clueless, you belong in prevention, you have proven over and over you don't have the fortitude or heart for suppression. To stretch what I said into "it's not a game" is a complete bastardization of what I said and you know it.
    I work hard at what I do, that comes form actually going to fire and gaining experience. This way, when there is a situation in which there needs to be a rescue, and the risk mismanagement profile is a little more complicated than at what age can I give the kid an eraser or pencil, I have the ability to perform.

    If your in the service to hope you get to fight a fire then do us a favor and walk back out the door.
    So what did you join the fire department for if it wasn't fighting fires? Something more grandiose like getting laid? Do us a favor if you don't want to fight fires and back out the door. Because that very attitude is the root of complacency. The history books and accident reports are littered with injuries and deaths caused by just that.
    Were here to save lives not risk them. this aint the boy scouts this is the big league.
    Then you had better get you head in the game and realize the truth of the matter, there will be fires. The sooner you grasp that, the sooner you will take it serious, do the training and gain the experience that brings you home. Until then, you are fairly useless on the fire ground. No matter how full your closet is of the latest whacker wear, or the number of lights in your car.
    For those wishing for a call to happen, try doing CPR on a guy with his whole family watching knowing your not gonna bring him back. I was like you when i first joined could wait for a call.
    Is it just me, or did we have a period in which we hired or attracted a bunch of wanna-be's just here for the t-shirt and prestige?
    No matter, I will continue not to sit on the bench, I will continue to learn, I will continue to train, and I will continue to go to fires and gain experience. Not because I have some secret desire to see someone else's life turned upside down, but because I realize there will always be fires, and the most important things I can do are protect the lives and property in my city, and bring my guys home.
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    I really HATE to see someone's home or business on fire.

    I really LOVE to put it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    I really HATE to see someone's home or business on fire.

    I really LOVE to put it out.
    And there lies the conundrum.

    That's why eastern variety less-than-an-acre grass fires are kinda fun. You get to deal with the red devil, sometimes with a sense of urgency, but in most cases all that is lost is some dead grass.

    I've often said that many a small town volunteer social club , errrr, fire department would be a far different organization if they caught several workers each week/month instead of each year.
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    It was in my second month on the job. We had a long response time because some of the guys had taken the horses out to tame the West and we had to wait for them to get back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    You really are clueless, you belong in prevention, you have proven over and over you don't have the fortitude or heart for suppression. To stretch what I said into "it's not a game" is a complete bastardization of what I said and you know it.

    I work hard at what I do, that comes form actually going to fire and gaining experience. This way, when there is a situation in which there needs to be a rescue, and the risk mismanagement profile is a little more complicated than at what age can I give the kid an eraser or pencil, I have the ability to perform.

    The trick is I still am in suppression. I don''t go on many EMS calls anymore or the garden variety vehicle fire, but I still respond out on brush fires, MVAs and structure fires with my combo department when not delivering pub ed programs, and all types of fires as a company officer with my VFD.

    And the funny thing is I still train on suppression operations. I train on performing my role as a company officer. And I train on education, prevention and juvenile firesetting intervention.

    You stated that you didn't join the fire service to "sit on the bench". In reality, the best thing that we can do is "sit on the bench" as that means we are responding to fewer incidents. My point was that it is a far better thing that we never run on any more fires or rescues. You say that they will always occur. I believe that we can and should do a whole lot more to prevent them from occuring so that we do spend a lot more "time on the bench".

    As far as your charecterization of prevention of simply giving out pencils, have at that idea if you want, but anyone on here knows that there is alot more to a prevention program than putting on a show.

    There are some that seem to view it as a game and they "should" have fires in order to keep them satisfied. I doubt that is the case with you, but you and I both know that there are those who feel that way.




    Is it just me, or did we have a period in which we hired or attracted a bunch of wanna-be's just here for the t-shirt and prestige?
    No matter, I will continue not to sit on the bench, I will continue to learn, I will continue to train, and I will continue to go to fires and gain experience. Not because I have some secret desire to see someone else's life turned upside down, but because I realize there will always be fires, and the most important things I can do are protect the lives and property in my city, and bring my guys home.
    And so will I, though I go to a limited number of incidents now.

    But I will never wish that we have more fires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    And there lies the conundrum.

    That's why eastern variety less-than-an-acre grass fires are kinda fun. You get to deal with the red devil, sometimes with a sense of urgency, but in most cases all that is lost is some dead grass.

    I've often said that many a small town volunteer social club , errrr, fire department would be a far different organization if they caught several workers each week/month instead of each year.
    You would have loved it here then from 2009 until just a few months ago.

    of course, most of them were just a tad ovver 1 acre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And so will I, though I go to a limited number of incidents now.
    Blah blah blah. I fought more fire than you've seen on TV. Please don't try to pass off your faux expertise as something valuable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Blah blah blah. I fought more fire than you've seen on TV. Please don't try to pass off your faux expertise as something valuable.
    And that is why you are my hero.

    Not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And that is why you are my hero.

    Not.
    I wear the title of not being your "hero" title proudly.

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    Well I guess until fire prevention becomes clairvoyant, or they find a way to remove the human element from the fire cause equation, I can't see myself wasting away on the bench quit yet.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    Well I guess until fire prevention becomes clairvoyant, or they find a way to remove the human element from the fire cause equation, I can't see myself wasting away on the bench quit yet.....
    And yes, there will always be fires, due to the human element but also the mechanical element, and every public educator, inspector or anyone else tied to that end of the business will acknowledge that.

    And yes, that is why I still train on supression, because they will happen and in both of my current roles, i will still respond and fill a position..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And yes, there will always be fires, due to the human element but also the mechanical element, and every public educator, inspector or anyone else tied to that end of the business will acknowledge that.

    And yes, that is why I still train on supression, because they will happen and in both of my current roles, i will still respond and fill a position..
    Why? You've made it very clear you don't plan on doing anything once you get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Why? You've made it very clear you don't plan on doing anything once you get there.
    Ya, that's exactly what i have said.

    Not.

    At least you are consistant as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Ya, that's exactly what i have said.

    Not.

    At least you are consistant as well.
    Actually you have. Your denial is also consistent.

    Please keep posting. I used to think you were pathetic. Now I think you're hysterical like the moonbat from NC.
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    Really. So what have I said?

    That I would make an effort to conduct offensive operations on stable, savable property with value given that I have the right number of people with the right training and a secure water supply with a minimal amount of risk to those members operating, and that I would be willing to take slightly more risk in situations where viable victims amy require rescue.

    Ya, that's pretty much what I have said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Really. So what have I said?

    That I would make an effort to conduct offensive operations on stable, savable property with value given that I have the right number of people with the right training and a secure water supply with a minimal amount of risk to those members operating, and that I would be willing to take slightly more risk in situations where viable victims amy require rescue.

    Ya, that's pretty much what I have said.
    Blah blah blah. Keep yapping.

    You've made it clear you know nothing about real world suppression efforts or how to execute them effectively when conditions aren't perfect. Those of us who did the job know the real world rarely if ever presents one with the perfect scenario you describe. Yet we managed to do our jobs and go home.

    I'm sure you look great in uniform prancing around at the volllies annual fundraiser claiming hero or demigod status from a group of folks who are clueless that you'll run the other way when they need you most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Blah blah blah. Keep yapping.

    You've made it clear you know nothing about real world suppression efforts or how to execute them effectively when conditions aren't perfect. Those of us who did the job know the real world rarely if ever presents one with the perfect scenario you describe. Yet we managed to do our jobs and go home.
    I have exeuted tactics with less than perfect conditions and resources in the past, however, as I get older, I have come to realize that it's simply not worth it. The safety of my personnel come before both the safety of the public and thier property.

    Fires are hotter. Buildings are less stable. And in most places, volunteer and career, manpower has been reduced. The only way to keep our members safe is to be less aggressive and accept that we will not be able to do what we have done in the past.
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