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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    Can you learn how to use the quote feature please?

    Can you learn how to use the quote feature please?

    Can you learn how to use the quote feature please?

    Can you learn how to use the quote feature please?
    No because that would take the mental capacity of approximately a 10 year old....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Nope. Didn't at all.

    Probably because you don't understand that where you don't have intimidation and fear people won't capitulate and volunteer back for free to their job.

    It's too bad that few career members in Prince George County made stink about career members volunteering when they weren't required to do so and it wasn't affecting them. If a person wants to volunteer back when off-duty, the idea that the government can say that i can't is absolute nonsense.

    SO, FINALLY YOU ADMIT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW!! Smooth move...GENIUS!!

    I really don't care if they were pro-union or not.

    A Union would take away your bully pulpit and silence your intimidation of other paid employees there. You would be scum on the top of the pond and recognized for being the management lacky that you are.
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    I actually have very little if any influence over any of the paid staff. You are really giving far more credit in that area than i deserve. I speak my mind about how unionization will destroy a very solid relationship with the volunteer Chief and the full-time DC that are responsible for administration.

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    Who knows what power or influence you wield. You have changed you story about 20 times.


    As far as management lacky, I believe that there are rules, management control and other protocols for a reason, and I have no issues in following them, even if that means "ratting" out members, career or volunteer, that decide that those rules do not apply to them.

    Nice choice of words. Says a lot about you. You can report infractions without being a RAT. How? By going to the offending member FIRST and giving them a chance to explain and correct the actions. If they don't then you go up the food chain. You don't revel in it and call yourself a RAT. Seriously you are a demented sad person.



    And even though my department is going civil service, we will not be using the promotional system used by both neighboring career departments which simply involves a test and waiting your time. There will be some pretty significant department required certification and training requirements tied to any promotions, which is allowed under LA civil service law.

    Golly, I would bet one of those required certifications is your hated FF1...Funny to the point of insanity that you won't support FF1 Certiication UNLESS someone wants to be promoted...THEN you think it is a good idea.

    We require FFI and Driver/Operator for our career firefighters. We have discussed the destructive influence on volunteer membership in most rural and low/moderate density surburban volunteer departments such as ours in the past with no resolution.

    You have stated previously that you require FF1 for your vollies to seek promotion...so which is it now?

    We are talking about FFII, Instructor I and Officer I for our career members to take the civil service test for captain as minimum requirements. We likely may include Instructor II as well.

    There is significant discussion regarding Paramedic.

    I would not support that for promotion on the volunteer level for our volunteer Captains.

    I fully support requiring realistic certifications for career members in both combo and all-career departments as it is their profession.


    You are completely clueless on the topics of Unions and every time you post your anti-Union drivel it shows.

    Yes, you are right on that. I have little knowledge but I can't honestly tell you what value a union would have in our organization, other than to drive a deeper wedge between the career and volunteer members, which are the true heart of our department, beyond what the forced implementation of civil service has and will do in the long run. Certainly the hiring of a second shift firefighter, which I opposed, has also done some significant damage as well.


    WOW! Obstructionist much? Apparently you had no trouble with the Chief hiring you. AND you waste time chatting here during yur work day. Sounds like you don't have enough workload.
    Stop posting on Union issues, you are woefully uninformed.
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    You have stated previously that you require FF1 for your vollies to seek promotion...so which is it now?



    Yes, as I have stated we do require FFI for promotion for our volunteers.

    That being said, we will likely require more in the way of certifications for a promotion to captain for career personnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Stop posting on Union issues, you are woefully uninformed.
    AS I have stated, we don't use the union, here , or any other place I have worked, and care never too as I see little or no benefit to unionization at my career department.

    It's the pro-union posters here that seem to feel that we should be unionized. Talk about uninformed.
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    How about getting back on the topic of the TV show, and remembering it's JUST A TV SHOW. Nothing more or less. It's entertainment. Does it portray FF any worse than Rescue Me did? Not even close.

    It's an entrttaining TV show, do I like the drug aspect of it, NO!! But it's just TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You have stated previously that you require FF1 for your vollies to seek promotion...so which is it now?



    Yes, as I have stated we do require FFI for promotion for our volunteers.

    That being said, we will likely require more in the way of certifications for a promotion to captain for career personnel.
    Why require something that you say is essentially worthless for your vollies to get promotion? Yet not require is simply to be a firefighter? Your FDs hypocrisy on this issue is mind boggling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    AS I have stated, we don't use the union, here , or any other place I have worked, and care never too as I see little or no benefit to unionization at my career department.

    It's the pro-union posters here that seem to feel that we should be unionized. Talk about uninformed.
    I frankly don't give a tinker's da mn whether you are Union, anti-Union, right to work, or whatever. What bothers me is you pushing your totally anti-Union agenda even when you aren't involved in the conversation otherwise. How about you shut your pie hole about how negative Unions are, with no personal experience on your part of ever having been in the IAFF, and most here will shut ours about your FD. Even if you openly admit you are violating federal law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    I frankly don't give a tinker's da mn whether you are Union, anti-Union, right to work, or whatever. What bothers me is you pushing your totally anti-Union agenda even when you aren't involved in the conversation otherwise. How about you shut your pie hole about how negative Unions are, with no personal experience on your part of ever having been in the IAFF, and most here will shut ours about your FD. Even if you openly admit you are violating federal law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Why require something that you say is essentially worthless for your vollies to get promotion? Yet not require is simply to be a firefighter? Your FDs hypocrisy on this issue is mind boggling.
    And your apparent hangup with the need for FFI compared to solid department level training based on local conditions is equally mind boggling.

    So it appears like we have a Mexican standoff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And your apparent hangup with the need for FFI compared to solid department level training based on local conditions is equally mind boggling.

    So it appears like we have a Mexican standoff.


    Yet you STILL can't explain why something you see as worthless for firefighters is required for promotion, or to be a career firefighter in Bossier Parrish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Yet you STILL can't explain why something you see as worthless for firefighters is required for promotion, or to be a career firefighter in Bossier Parrish.
    Actually, I have. Several times.

    I never stated that FFI as a whole was worthless. I stated that FFI has very limited value as a "rookie class" when training new personnel on the basics of that department's operations.

    I did state that there are elements of FFI that are worthless to some departments and simply do not need to be taught as they have no relevance.

    A rookie needs to know how to operate a department's tools and equipment under that department's SOPs and procedures in the buildings and district covered by that department. They simply do not need the general knowledge base offered by FFI and do not need know about tools, equipment, operations and building construction not found within that agency.

    A perfect example is vehicle extrication. if we followed FFI, a new member wouldn't learn about vehicle extrication until FFII. We feel it's far more important than many areas in FFI, so we include it in our rookie class. Same with industrial fire operations as we have a refinery and several gas-related facilities. Again, for us far more important than many other areas in FFI. Local conditions. Locally based training. It's that simple.

    As that they gain time, they may be put in situations, either on the fireground in small team supervisory roles, or in the firehouse, possibly on tool and/or apparatus purchasing committees, where they will be supervising those with less time or being asked thier opinion. At that point the general knowledge of FFI becomes useful, which is why we require it for our senior personnel for promotion.

    There are those that do not want promotion and are happy as a firefighter. While it would be nice for them to have FFI/FFII, it is certainly not critical to them, if they wish to stay at that rank.

    As I also stated, it is required as a pre req for some LSU technical rescue and instructor/officer classes that do have significant value.

    As far as career members, it's required due to their position often in supervisory roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Actually, I have. Several times.

    I never stated that FFI as a whole was worthless. I stated that FFI has very limited value as a "rookie class" when training new personnel on the basics of that department's operations.

    I did state that there are elements of FFI that are worthless to some departments and simply do not need to be taught as they have no relevance.

    A rookie needs to know how to operate a department's tools and equipment under that department's SOPs and procedures in the buildings and district covered by that department. They simply do not need the general knowledge base offered by FFI and do not need know about tools, equipment, operations and building construction not found within that agency.

    A perfect example is vehicle extrication. if we followed FFI, a new member wouldn't learn about vehicle extrication until FFII. We feel it's far more important than many areas in FFI, so we include it in our rookie class. Same with industrial fire operations as we have a refinery and several gas-related facilities. Again, for us far more important than many other areas in FFI. Local conditions. Locally based training. It's that simple.

    As that they gain time, they may be put in situations, either on the fireground in small team supervisory roles, or in the firehouse, possibly on tool and/or apparatus purchasing committees, where they will be supervising those with less time or being asked thier opinion. At that point the general knowledge of FFI becomes useful, which is why we require it for our senior personnel for promotion.

    There are those that do not want promotion and are happy as a firefighter. While it would be nice for them to have FFI/FFII, it is certainly not critical to them, if they wish to stay at that rank.

    As I also stated, it is required as a pre req for some LSU technical rescue and instructor/officer classes that do have significant value.

    As far as career members, it's required due to their position often in supervisory roles.
    Let me type this really slow for you. NO ONE EXPECTS YOU TO REPLACE YOUR INHOUSE TRAINING WITH FIREFIGHTER 1. It certainly doesn't on my career FD or either one of my POC FDs. It is meant to broaden the horizons of firefighters by teaching them GENERIC basics of firefighting. They are meant to be supplemented by local training on specifics like hose loads used...I even tell my students that in my classes.

    So please stop making it sound like those of us that support National FF1 Certification are saying it should replace inhouse training because that is 100% WRONG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BENV17 View Post
    How about getting back on the topic of the TV show, and remembering it's JUST A TV SHOW. Nothing more or less. It's entertainment. Does it portray FF any worse than Rescue Me did? Not even close.

    It's an entrttaining TV show, do I like the drug aspect of it, NO!! But it's just TV.
    Emergency! was "just TV", but it got EMS in this country to a place that would've taken decades without the show. If you think Chicago Fire is entertaining, you probably think Jersey Shore and Jerry Springer are too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Let me type this really slow for you. NO ONE EXPECTS YOU TO REPLACE YOUR INHOUSE TRAINING WITH FIREFIGHTER 1. It certainly doesn't on my career FD or either one of my POC FDs. It is meant to broaden the horizons of firefighters by teaching them GENERIC basics of firefighting. They are meant to be supplemented by local training on specifics like hose loads used...I even tell my students that in my classes.

    Thing is that we disagree on the order.

    You see the general knowledge of a mandatory FFI class followed up by department specific training as the way to go.

    I see department specific rookie training followed up by an optional FFI expanding their horizons with general knowledge as the way to effectively train rookie personnel.

    We have a very different view of how to train rookie volunteer personnel, and likely always will.


    So please stop making it sound like those of us that support National FF1 Certification are saying it should replace inhouse training because that is 100% WRONG.
    Never said that you didn't support in-house training.

    Time to a volunteer is valuable, and to waste that time on materials that they may never use through the delivery of generic course makes absolutely no sense to me. Train locally on local needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    Ahh back to normal. Fyred and LA arguing. All is right in the Universe again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
    Ahh back to normal. Fyred and LA arguing. All is right in the Universe again.
    Ya. It was sorta funky in a weird way when we weren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Ya. It was sorta funky in a weird way when we weren't.
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