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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    You are so totally clueless on this topic that it is beyond your usually idiocy. The Union MADE concessions in the past only to have management vote themselves HUGE raises. Meanwhile, the company stopped paying contracturally required pension contributions to the tune of $160 MILLION. The company had PREVIOUSLY filed for Chapter 11 and FAILED miserably to bring the company back around.

    The fact that through a failed experiment to add preservatives to Wonder Bread, and cut the number of regional bakeries, that changed the texture and taste and almost destroyed that customer base cost them millions, and their failure to early on add a whole wheat or whole grain bread while the rest of the market was capitalizing on the switch to healthier bread spelled the beginning of the end of Hostess. The healthier foods craze totally missed by the Hostess snack foods line was another nail in the coffin. NONE OF THOSE ISSUES CAN BE BLAMED ON THE BAKER"S UNION. Was the strike the final nail? Sort of, it was coming anyways, all this did was hasten the end. The fact is, this made the Union an excellent scape goat for the ridiculously uninformed.
    Never did i say that the unions were responsible for the overall failure of the company. I did state that the unions demand for higher wages in the face of the fact that the company stated that they would close if they continued to make that demand was in part responsible for the current situation.

    Yes, the Hostess management brought much of this on itself, but in the end, the union demands were the last straw.

    And yes, I have as much use for unions as I do for a case of the clap. I wake up every morning thankful that the majority of our small career staff at my combo FD has no desire to have a unionized work force.
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    Just for those of you complaining about how much $$ the management at Hostess makes ............



    Here’s a list of the annual salaries and benefits earned by the nation’s top labor officials, according to the Labor Department. This data is based on 2011 filings:

    AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka – $293,750.

    National Education Association President Dennis Van Roekel – $460,060

    Service Employees International Union President Mary Kay Henry – $290,334.

    American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees President Gerald McEntee – $512,489.

    International Brotherhood of Teamsters President James P. Hoffa , Jr. – $372,489.

    American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten – $493,859.

    International Association of Fire Fighters President Harold Schaitberger – $323,811.

    American Federation of Government Employees President John Gage – $198,690. (Gage retired this month)

    United Food and Commercial Workers President Joseph Hansen – $361,124


    And I'm sure that in many cases, the president's themselves have an awful lot to do with how much they are paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Never did i say that the unions were responsible for the overall failure of the company. I did state that the unions demand for higher wages in the face of the fact that the company stated that they would close if they continued to make that demand was in part responsible for the current situation.

    Yes, the Hostess management brought much of this on itself, but in the end, the union demands were the last straw.

    And yes, I have as much use for unions as I do for a case of the clap. I wake up every morning thankful that the majority of our small career staff at my combo FD has no desire to have a unionized work force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And yes, I have as much use for unions as I do for a case of the clap. I wake up every morning thankful that the majority of our small career staff at my combo FD has no desire to have a unionized work force.
    And unions are very happy someone as stupid as you is not part of their membership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Just for those of you complaining about how much $$ the management at Hostess makes ............



    Here’s a list of the annual salaries and benefits earned by the nation’s top labor officials, according to the Labor Department. This data is based on 2011 filings:

    AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka – $293,750.

    National Education Association President Dennis Van Roekel – $460,060

    Service Employees International Union President Mary Kay Henry – $290,334.

    American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees President Gerald McEntee – $512,489.

    International Brotherhood of Teamsters President James P. Hoffa , Jr. – $372,489.

    American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten – $493,859.

    International Association of Fire Fighters President Harold Schaitberger – $323,811.

    American Federation of Government Employees President John Gage – $198,690. (Gage retired this month)

    United Food and Commercial Workers President Joseph Hansen – $361,124


    And I'm sure that in many cases, the president's themselves have an awful lot to do with how much they are paid.
    This is one of those times where I get to laugh out loud. When one considers the responsibilities these individuals have compared to private business, they are woefully underpaid by comparison. I'm sure compared to the hayseeds like yourself in Bossier Parish these individuals make a lot of money. I can assure you, it is not.

    Years ago one of my fellow captains wrote a firefighter review for an individual that was less than dim. His comment on his appraisal:

    "This individual has set low expectations and has failed to achieve them."

    Describes you perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This is one of those times where I get to laugh out loud. When one considers the responsibilities these individuals have compared to private business, they are woefully underpaid by comparison. I'm sure compared to the hayseeds like yourself in Bossier Parish these individuals make a lot of money. I can assure you, it is not.

    Years ago one of my fellow captains wrote a firefighter review for an individual that was less than dim. His comment on his appraisal:

    "This individual has set low expectations and has failed to achieve them."

    Describes you perfectly.
    Honestly.

    You really believe that there is less responsibility associated with running a multi-billion dollar company with a fudicary responsibility to the shareholders to make a profit and turn back to them a dividend then there is in running a union?

    Sorry, but the responsibilities are far greater in a private sector corporation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Honestly.

    You really believe that there is less responsibility associated with running a multi-billion dollar company with a fudicary responsibility to the shareholders to make a profit and turn back to them a dividend then there is in running a union?

    Sorry, but the responsibilities are far greater in a private sector corporation.
    Given the recent examples of executives being paid hundreds of millions of dollars while their corporations were losing billions, I would say yes. Especially given that union leadership can be replaced by the vote of their membership and sent packing with nothing.

    You once again show your stupidity. Thanks.

    Just curious. Were you born this dense? Or was it an effort to achieve that level of being completely clueless?
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    Not only did the Hostess execs get huge raises while running the company off the cliff, they probably also have golden parachutes that will give them even money they don't deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Not only did the Hostess execs get huge raises while running the company off the cliff, they probably also have golden parachutes that will give them even money they don't deserve.
    I'm sure the village idiot (aka LAFE) will justify that act as being part of the burden enjoyed by corporate leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Not only did the Hostess execs get huge raises while running the company off the cliff, they probably also have golden parachutes that will give them even money they don't deserve.
    Last report I heard was that a Federal Judge (may be wrong on this) was not allowing the bankruptcy to go through just yet, because he believes that Hostess can survive this.

    So now the CEO's will become "experts" and be paid huge consulting fees to "fix" the corporation that they grenaded themselves. Capitalism at it's finest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    Not only did the Hostess execs get huge raises while running the company off the cliff, they probably also have golden parachutes that will give them even money they don't deserve.
    The HUGE raises are even more despicable when you realize they came AFTER the first round of concessions made by Union employees of Hostess, AND after the first Chapter 11 filing.

    The problem with hard right winger anti-Union people like LA is they only read the part of the story that proves their point, they do no actual research on the entire story because that might prove them wrong. The right wing agenda is more important than the truth and that is pathetic.
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    LaFireEducator and his backwoods views do not represent the rest of the fire service in Louisiana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Never did i say that the unions were responsible for the overall failure of the company. I did state that the unions demand for higher wages in the face of the fact that the company stated that they would close if they continued to make that demand was in part responsible for the current situation.

    Explain the HUGE raises for management in a company floundering on the edge of bankruptcy...

    Yes, the Hostess management brought much of this on itself, but in the end, the union demands were the last straw.

    I never denied that the Union's refusal to take it deep in the azz again was the last nail in the coffin. Your inability to see that HUGE raises for management while not paying the contracturally required contributions to the pension plan and asking for a SECOND round of concessions from the Union shows what a narrow minded buffoon you are.

    And yes, I have as much use for unions as I do for a case of the clap. I wake up every morning thankful that the majority of our small career staff at my combo FD has no desire to have a unionized work force.

    Frankly, no Union would want you. You are the kind of guy that would p i s s and moan about every decision the exec board made, loudly proclaim how worthless they are, and then when your *** was in a bind scream that the Union HAS to protect you. No thanks, I'd rather you stay an ignorant, uninformed Union hater that have to call you a Union Brother.
    By the way, very classy comment on a Holiday to celebrate being Thankful for what we have. I hope it leaves a crappy tatse in your mouth while you sit there stuffing your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    The HUGE raises are even more dispicable when you realize they came AFTER the first round of concessions made by Union employees of Hostess, AND after the first Chapter 11 filing.
    I'm beginning to believe he is a medical experiment gone awry. Some medico decided to test the limits of stupid pills dosage not realizing the effects would be irreversible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Frankly, no Union would want you. You are the kind of guy that would p i s s and moan about every decision the exec board made, loudly proclaim how worthless they are, and then when your *** was in a bind scream that the Union HAS to protect you. No thanks, I'd rather you stay an ignorant, uninformed Union hater that have to call you a Union Brother.
    No kidding. I would always be amazed at how the biggest union bashers would hide behind their employee rep. They claimed others should take responsibility but always ensured they never entered a disciplinary hearing alone.
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    One of the reasons the company is going down the tubes is the work rules that didn't allow Twinkies and Wonderbread to be carried in the same truck.

    Further, a driver could not unload a truck. So a second employee had to ride along to take care of that.

    Neither could move the product from the loading dock (or whatever) to the shelf - that required a third employee (who travels in another vehicle).

    Putting that in a fire department context, a driver couldn't operate the pump - that would require another member. And neither the driver nor the pump operator could make the hydrant. Someone else would have to do that. And that doesn't address the firefighters actually taking a line into the burning building (who can't drive, pump, or make the hydrant).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree68 View Post
    One of the reasons the company is going down the tubes is the work rules that didn't allow Twinkies and Wonderbread to be carried in the same truck.

    Further, a driver could not unload a truck. So a second employee had to ride along to take care of that.

    Neither could move the product from the loading dock (or whatever) to the shelf - that required a third employee (who travels in another vehicle).

    Putting that in a fire department context, a driver couldn't operate the pump - that would require another member. And neither the driver nor the pump operator could make the hydrant. Someone else would have to do that. And that doesn't address the firefighters actually taking a line into the burning building (who can't drive, pump, or make the hydrant).
    Okay, I am calling a HUGE BS on this. My parents owned a grocery store in Illinois and then one in Wisconsin and I can tell you staraight up both Hostess and Wonder Bread delivered to their businesses were delivered by a single route delivery driver for each product. They took out the stales, decided what was coming in the store, stocked the shelves and dropped off the bill on the way out. Not 3 different guys like you are saying...
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    I found the separate truck article. It is part of the propaganda shoveled by these chuckleheads... http://ohioansforworkplacefreedom.co...d-wonderbread/

    They are taking donations. So if you have any spare change that those damn unions haven't taken, they will gladly take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Honestly.

    You really believe that there is less responsibility associated with running a multi-billion dollar company with a fudicary responsibility to the shareholders to make a profit and turn back to them a dividend then there is in running a union?

    Sorry, but the responsibilities are far greater in a private sector corporation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captnjack View Post
    LaFireEducator and his backwoods views do not represent the rest of the fire service in Louisiana.
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    Never said I did.

    However in this area, most of the departments/districts are not unionized and those that are not have little desire to be.
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